She's not as fast as she used to be but seems to be a decent person (not biaotchy or stupid or mean). And she has what looks like a good book out I may get.
I'm trying to get my g/f into running and she's inspired by female runners like Joanie, Jordan, Kara, Allie, etc. And especially Gwen (due to her tris and her vids about Stanley).
I think much of it is related to having likely cheated while with NOP and then blowing the whistle on them later without coming clean herself.
Jameson wrote:
I think much of it is related to having likely cheated while with NOP and then blowing the whistle on them later without coming clean herself.
That ^^^^ and the ridiculous crying every two minutes and the decades long narcissistic self-promotion.
1. Anyone who has ever spoken out against NOP gets a decent amount of haters here (even for milquetoast answers in pressers like Shalane or Meb).
2. Any woman who is outspoken about anything gets a decent amount of haters here.
Since she falls under both of these categories, she gets a lot of undeserved flames.
Oh yeah, the above poster reminded me of the third subset.
3. Anyone who understands that you need to market yourself to have a long career as a runner garners hate here (i.e. Symmonds).
Kara was too much of a regular woman for letsrunners to handle. When she cried after finishing third in a very tactical race at the Boston Marathon, everyone ripped on her for being emotional. They thought the tears were kind of a hissy fit and that Kara was being entitled. She was just being a normal female. Women cry when they are disappointed and frustrated. And guys hate that because we all go into the Venus/Mars routine and try to fix things, only to get snapped at for being insensitive.
I took about a 15 year hiatus of following the sport after college. I didn't really know much about Kara and the NOP and am kind of indifferent to it.
I will say that every time she opens her mouth and says that Justice is coming soon for the NOP (implying she has some kind of inside knowledge) and then nothing happens, I like her less and less.
The thing is, she didn't out NOP until after they cut off her money. As long as she was being paid, she went along with the cheating. When they cut off her money, she immediately brought up the doping to the press in order to keep herself in the news because she has a desperate and pathetic need for attention. Since she was part of the coverup, she is just as guilty as the doping cheaters Rupp, Farah and Centrowitz.
Why the hate on Kara wrote:
https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a25380531/kara-goucher-new-marathon-goals/She's not as fast as she used to be but seems to be a decent person (not biaotchy or stupid or mean). And she has what looks like a good book out I may get.
I'm trying to get my g/f into running and she's inspired by female runners like Joanie, Jordan, Kara, Allie, etc. And especially Gwen (due to her tris and her vids about Stanley).
Three reasons really: 1) She is accusing her former group of cheating, yet conveniently leaves out the fact that many of her best performances were with that group. 2) She whines. 3) She dramatizes things to get attention for non-running related reasons.
1) As the poster above me said, Kara and Adam both joined NOP and had an interesting surge in their performance. She finished college in 2001, was basically in Limbo for a few years with no notable achievements, joined NOP in 2004, and started throwing down some of the best performances of her career.
Fast forward to 2011, she leaves NOP, and a few years later, she's accusing them of doping, while maintaining her own innocence (despite her very significant improvements while with the group). It doesn't help that absolutely nothing of note has actually come from this multi-year investigation.
2) She whines A LOT.
No doubt, there are indeed a lot of misogynistic individuals on this website, but contrary to popular belief, they don't actually go about hating all women in running. Many female athletes are very well-liked on these boards. For example, Jordan Hasay, Laura Muir, Tirunesh/Genzebe Dibaba, Vivian Cheruiyot, etc. In general, any dislike towards these women generally come with their association with questionable individuals (Salazar for Hasay, Aden for the Dibabas, etc.).
One thing that all the well-liked women have in common is that they go out, and they run. You rarely hear whining coming from them. Sure, they'll complain sometimes, but not like Kara Goucher. Goucher whines to the point that it's actually irritating for many people.
3) The attention she gets is disproportionate relative to her performance, and largely for non-running related reasons.
Of the women mentioned before, they are expected to perform well, typically perform well, and when failing to perform well, will make a few comments about being disappointed and get back to improving themselves. Many top-tier female runners have had kids, and you hear very little about it. What you hear about them is their running.
Kara Goucher is the opposite. She has not performed particularly well in many years (her best performances really, were in her Nike days), but draws attention to other aspects of her, such as the fact that she is a Mom. She also frequently cries and dramatizes losses. When she does not perform well, she makes it sound like her world is ending in her interviews. She basically cries until the attention is more focused on her than it is on the actual top performers.
This board is, in addition to being filled with misogynists, filled with running fans. What running fan wants to see attention taken away from a top performer and focused on a runner who was not even in the mix to win?
Why the hate on Kara wrote:
https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a25380531/kara-goucher-new-marathon-goals/She's not as fast as she used to be but seems to be a decent person (not biaotchy or stupid or mean). And she has what looks like a good book out I may get.
I'm trying to get my g/f into running and she's inspired by female runners like Joanie, Jordan, Kara, Allie, etc. And especially Gwen (due to her tris and her vids about Stanley).
Good thread, 9/10. My longest troll thread to date also was about Kara.
Both the Gouchers are kind of annoying and always have a chip on their shoulder. Remember when Adam promised to make the Olympic marathon team and flip the finger to all the "doubters" as he crossed the line? Lol.
On top of all that is said about the dislike for her, which I for the most part agree with. After splitting from NOP and then later ratting them out, I think what made her look bad in all this was her sharp decline in performance it’s like she went from a pro and arguable one of the best in the US who podiumed In the Olympic 10k to almost a hobby jogger type status. I mean post NOP Has she run under 34 for 10k or 2:40 for marathon? I doubt she could break 16:00 for 5k on the track
Let's be honest.
1. She's a woman so that's already a knock against here here
2. She's outspoken so the incels really hate her
3. She's trying to clean up the sport of which people don't understand so people are lit
4. She's actually incredibly talented and 99% of LR would get 'chicked' by her so hard and they can't take it
An anonymous message board of basement dwellers is the complete anti-thesis of her: a public well-rounded figure. So they must fight to take her down.
Also people like Gwen who dares to speak her mind. They hated on others for a long while that I won't name because they don't deserve more venom from LR hate crowd.
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On top of all that is said about the dislike for her, which I for the most part agree with. After splitting from NOP and then later ratting them out, I think what made her look bad in all this was her sharp decline in performance it’s like she went from a pro and arguable one of the best in the US who podiumed In the Olympic 10k to almost a hobby jogger type status. I mean post NOP Has she run under 34 for 10k or 2:40 for marathon? I doubt she could break 16:00 for 5k on the track
Do you even follow the sport? She was 4th at the last Olympic Trials. This is the type of knowledge most Kara-bashers have.
People are jealous and bitter because they train their brains out and base their own self worth in their running yet she’d still lap them ...... in a 1600.
Jealousy 666 wrote:
People are jealous and bitter because they train their brains out and base their own self worth in their running yet she’d still lap them ...... in a 1600.
Yeah right, her mile PB is only 4:33. Every letsrunner can do that in her sleep.
I'll tell you why:
She's self-righteous.
But for some good reasons. She and her husband Adam basically co-founded the NOP with Alberto. They all signed NDA's. After a while, they got dumped from Salazar's churn-and-burn crew. Salazar seems to prioritize his top athlete, using has-beens and recent NCAA champs as training fodder. The Gouchers didn't get any love when they were ever-so-slightly past their prime. Whatever. I think I remember Adam ranting against Lagat, as he kept on into his old age. Sorry, Lagat is just a freak; is now, always has been. Don't pull your weak blue-color self-righteousness. You're good enough, you can hold it together, or you can't. Sorry you went with Salazar, who some have portrayed as something of a narcissist, at least... Insinuations are the weakest. Go ahead and break your NDA and lawyer up or shut up.
The real reason is that in some of her pics she looks smokin' hot and in others she looks kind of meh. There's really no consistency. It's hard for me to stay excited about a runner like that.
Simple.....She can't compete with real women like Caster who have testes and a vagina. Simply gaving a functional vag isn't in fashion these days.
No one's jealous. She's less annoying than a lot of runners on twitter. At least she's not re-tweeting AOC and getting all political. Those runners are the most annoying.
With KG, it's "Adam, I saw a mountain lying on my run. CNN, Fox, ESPN, RW on speed dial, STAT!".