The kid is legend. He is the new Pre. And only 21 years of age.
The kid is legend. He is the new Pre. And only 21 years of age.
He ran 7:59.33 indoors 3 years ago in high school, so not quite buddy
6 million lies wrote:
Yawn, let me know when he breaks 7:30. It's truly pathetic that American men today are no better than American men back 20-30 years ago.
https://www.iaaf.org/records/all-time-toplists/middle-long/3000-metres/outdoor/men/senior?regionType=countries®ion=usa&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=1899-12-31&lastDay=2019-06-127:29.00 Bernard LAGAT 12 DEC 1974 USA USA 2 Rieti (ITA) 29 AUG 2010 1245
2 7:30.84 Bob KENNEDY 18 AUG 1970 USA USA 8 Monaco (MON) 08 AUG 1998 1234
3 7:30.93 Ryan HILL 31 JAN 1990 USA USA 4 Paris (FRA) 27 AUG 2016 1233
4 7:31.57 Paul CHELIMO 27 OCT 1990 USA USA 2 Doha (QAT) 05 MAY 2017 1229
5 7:33.37 Sydney MAREE 09 SEP 1956 USA USA 2 London (GBR) 17 JUL 1982 1218
6 7:34.32 Chris SOLINSKY 05 DEC 1984 USA USA 5 Rieti (ITA) 29 AUG 2010 1212
7 7:34.96 Adam GOUCHER 18 FEB 1975 USA USA 6 Monaco (MON) 20 JUL 2001 1208
8 7:34.98 Matt TEGENKAMP 19 JAN 1982 USA USA 5 Monaco (MON) 20 AUG 2006 1208
9 7:35.16 Evan JAGER 08 MAR 1989 USA USA 6 Stockholm (SWE) 17 AUG 2012 1207
10 7:35.53 Ben TRUE 29 DEC 1985 USA USA 6 Paris (FRA) 01 JUL 2017 1204
11 7:35.84 Doug PADILLA 04 OCT 1956 USA USA 1 Oslo (NOR) 09 JUL 1983 1202
12 7:36.69 Steve SCOTT 05 MAY 1956 USA USA 1 Ingelheim (FRG) 01 SEP 1981 1197
13 7:37.04 Jim SPIVEY 07 MAR 1960 USA USA 3 Köln (GER) 01 AUG 1993 1195
14 7:37.70 Rudy CHAPA 07 NOV 1957 USA USA 1 Eugene, OR (USA) 10 MAY 1979 1191
15 7:37.97 Garrett HEATH 03 NOV 1985 USA USA 5 Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 1189
16 7:38.03 Marc DAVIS 17 DEC 1969 USA USA 4 Monaco (MON) 07 AUG 1993 1189
17 7:38.08 Ben BLANKENSHIP 15 DEC 1988 USA USA 6 Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 1188
18 7:38.19 Eric JENKINS 24 NOV 1991 USA USA 8 Rabat (MAR) 13 JUL 2018 1188
19 7:38.51 Hassan MEAD 28 AUG 1989 USA USA 7 London (GBR) 09 JUL 2017 1186
20 7:38.90 Andrew BAYER 03 FEB 1990 USA USA 8 London (GBR) 09 JUL 2017 1183
21 7:39.03 Dathan RITZENHEIN 30 DEC 1982 USA USA 4 Sheffield (GBR) 15 JUL 2007 1182
22 7:39.38 Will LEER 15 APR 1985 USA USA 7 Zagreb (CRO) 03 SEP 2013 1180
23 7:39.45 Tim BROE 20 JUN 1977 USA USA 7 Lausanne (SUI) 04 JUL 2001 1180
24 7:39.81 Lopez LOMONG 01 JAN 1985 USA USA 5 Rieti (ITA) 07 SEP 2014 1178
25 7:40.02 Andrew BUMBALOUGH 14 MAR 1987 USA USA 8 Zagreb (CRO) 03 SEP 2013 1176
26 7:40.19 Bill MCCHESNEY 08 JAN 1959 USA USA 2 Köln (GER) 22 AUG 1982 1175
27 7:40.78 David TORRENCE 26 NOV 1985 USA USA 11 Zagreb (CRO) 03 SEP 2013 1172
28 7:41.27 Anthony FAMIGLIETTI 08 NOV 1978 USA USA 1 Carson (USA) 20 MAY 2007 1169
29 7:41.60 Matt GIUSTO 25 OCT 1966 USA USA 7 Köln (GER) 01 AUG 1993 1166
29 7:41.60 Ryan WILSON 14 AUG 1974 USA USA 2 Sydney (AUS) 20 FEB 1999 1166
31 7:41.82 Aaron RAMIREZ 29 JUL 1962 USA USA 5 Nice (FRA) 15 JUL 1991 1165
32 7:42.11 Ralph KING 01 APR 1956 USA USA 4 Lausanne (SUI) 18 JUL 1979 1163
33 7:42.18 John GREGOREK 15 APR 1960 USA USA 5 Oslo (NOR) 14 JUL 1990 1163
34 7:42.6h Steve PREFONTAINE 25 JAN 1951 USA USA 2 Milano (ITA) 02 JUL 1974 1160
35 7:42.92 John TRAUTMANN 29 JUN 1968 USA USA 7 Nice (FRA) 15 JUL 1992 1158
36 7:43.01 Mark NENOW 16 NOV 1957 USA USA 7 Köln (GER) 20 AUG 1989 1158
37 7:43.02 Reuben REINA 16 NOV 1967 USA USA 7 Nice (FRA) 15 JUL 1991 1158
38 7:43.15 Terry BRAHM 21 NOV 1962 USA USA 2 Paris (FRA) 22 JUL 1986 1157
39 7:43.21 Tim HACKER 27 DEC 1962 USA USA 3 Stockholm (SWE) 03 JUL 1989 1157
40 7:43.23 Marty LIQUORI 11 SEP 1949 USA USA 2 London (GBR) 09 SEP 1977 1156
Dude... he's 21.. Come now.. Letsrunners are never impressed.
6 million lies wrote:
Yawn, let me know when he breaks 7:30. It's truly pathetic that American men today are no better than American men back 20-30 years ago.
https://www.iaaf.org/records/all-time-toplists/middle-long/3000-metres/outdoor/men/senior?regionType=countries®ion=usa&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=1899-12-31&lastDay=2019-06-127:29.00 Bernard LAGAT 12 DEC 1974 USA USA 2 Rieti (ITA) 29 AUG 2010 1245
2 7:30.84 Bob KENNEDY 18 AUG 1970 USA USA 8 Monaco (MON) 08 AUG 1998 1234
3 7:30.93 Ryan HILL 31 JAN 1990 USA USA 4 Paris (FRA) 27 AUG 2016 1233
4 7:31.57 Paul CHELIMO 27 OCT 1990 USA USA 2 Doha (QAT) 05 MAY 2017 1229
5 7:33.37 Sydney MAREE 09 SEP 1956 USA USA 2 London (GBR) 17 JUL 1982 1218
6 7:34.32 Chris SOLINSKY 05 DEC 1984 USA USA 5 Rieti (ITA) 29 AUG 2010 1212
7 7:34.96 Adam GOUCHER 18 FEB 1975 USA USA 6 Monaco (MON) 20 JUL 2001 1208
8 7:34.98 Matt TEGENKAMP 19 JAN 1982 USA USA 5 Monaco (MON) 20 AUG 2006 1208
9 7:35.16 Evan JAGER 08 MAR 1989 USA USA 6 Stockholm (SWE) 17 AUG 2012 1207
10 7:35.53 Ben TRUE 29 DEC 1985 USA USA 6 Paris (FRA) 01 JUL 2017 1204
11 7:35.84 Doug PADILLA 04 OCT 1956 USA USA 1 Oslo (NOR) 09 JUL 1983 1202
12 7:36.69 Steve SCOTT 05 MAY 1956 USA USA 1 Ingelheim (FRG) 01 SEP 1981 1197
13 7:37.04 Jim SPIVEY 07 MAR 1960 USA USA 3 Köln (GER) 01 AUG 1993 1195
14 7:37.70 Rudy CHAPA 07 NOV 1957 USA USA 1 Eugene, OR (USA) 10 MAY 1979 1191
15 7:37.97 Garrett HEATH 03 NOV 1985 USA USA 5 Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 1189
16 7:38.03 Marc DAVIS 17 DEC 1969 USA USA 4 Monaco (MON) 07 AUG 1993 1189
17 7:38.08 Ben BLANKENSHIP 15 DEC 1988 USA USA 6 Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 1188
18 7:38.19 Eric JENKINS 24 NOV 1991 USA USA 8 Rabat (MAR) 13 JUL 2018 1188
19 7:38.51 Hassan MEAD 28 AUG 1989 USA USA 7 London (GBR) 09 JUL 2017 1186
20 7:38.90 Andrew BAYER 03 FEB 1990 USA USA 8 London (GBR) 09 JUL 2017 1183
21 7:39.03 Dathan RITZENHEIN 30 DEC 1982 USA USA 4 Sheffield (GBR) 15 JUL 2007 1182
22 7:39.38 Will LEER 15 APR 1985 USA USA 7 Zagreb (CRO) 03 SEP 2013 1180
23 7:39.45 Tim BROE 20 JUN 1977 USA USA 7 Lausanne (SUI) 04 JUL 2001 1180
24 7:39.81 Lopez LOMONG 01 JAN 1985 USA USA 5 Rieti (ITA) 07 SEP 2014 1178
25 7:40.02 Andrew BUMBALOUGH 14 MAR 1987 USA USA 8 Zagreb (CRO) 03 SEP 2013 1176
26 7:40.19 Bill MCCHESNEY 08 JAN 1959 USA USA 2 Köln (GER) 22 AUG 1982 1175
27 7:40.78 David TORRENCE 26 NOV 1985 USA USA 11 Zagreb (CRO) 03 SEP 2013 1172
28 7:41.27 Anthony FAMIGLIETTI 08 NOV 1978 USA USA 1 Carson (USA) 20 MAY 2007 1169
29 7:41.60 Matt GIUSTO 25 OCT 1966 USA USA 7 Köln (GER) 01 AUG 1993 1166
29 7:41.60 Ryan WILSON 14 AUG 1974 USA USA 2 Sydney (AUS) 20 FEB 1999 1166
31 7:41.82 Aaron RAMIREZ 29 JUL 1962 USA USA 5 Nice (FRA) 15 JUL 1991 1165
32 7:42.11 Ralph KING 01 APR 1956 USA USA 4 Lausanne (SUI) 18 JUL 1979 1163
33 7:42.18 John GREGOREK 15 APR 1960 USA USA 5 Oslo (NOR) 14 JUL 1990 1163
34 7:42.6h Steve PREFONTAINE 25 JAN 1951 USA USA 2 Milano (ITA) 02 JUL 1974 1160
35 7:42.92 John TRAUTMANN 29 JUN 1968 USA USA 7 Nice (FRA) 15 JUL 1992 1158
36 7:43.01 Mark NENOW 16 NOV 1957 USA USA 7 Köln (GER) 20 AUG 1989 1158
37 7:43.02 Reuben REINA 16 NOV 1967 USA USA 7 Nice (FRA) 15 JUL 1991 1158
38 7:43.15 Terry BRAHM 21 NOV 1962 USA USA 2 Paris (FRA) 22 JUL 1986 1157
39 7:43.21 Tim HACKER 27 DEC 1962 USA USA 3 Stockholm (SWE) 03 JUL 1989 1157
40 7:43.23 Marty LIQUORI 11 SEP 1949 USA USA 2 London (GBR) 09 SEP 1977 1156
3 of those top 5 are naturalized Americans. Only one of those have broken 7:30. So, you're saying you're only interested in a 21yo potential great if he's at least the top 2 of all time?
7:37....... That Chapa fella was 21.......
According to Daniels calculator 7:39 is equivalent to 13:20 5K. According to McMillan calculator it is equivalent to 13:26. So not much different than what he ran a few weeks ago.
Precocious Roy wrote:
7:37....... That Chapa fella was 21.......
remember the picture on Track and Field News? - back then Rudy was as big or bigger deal than AlSal. Chapa was a couple months younger than Hunter is now.
nevertheless, good run for Hunter and he deserves kudos for that!
It's 13:08.
According to who? It is 13:20s according to the calculators.
well actually wrote:
According to Daniels calculator 7:39 is equivalent to 13:20 5K. According to McMillan calculator it is equivalent to 13:26. So not much different than what he ran a few weeks ago.
He beat Butchart and True who both broke 13:10 last week
Henrik Ingebrigtsen 7:36.
dhdbbsbs wrote:
well actually wrote:
According to Daniels calculator 7:39 is equivalent to 13:20 5K. According to McMillan calculator it is equivalent to 13:26. So not much different than what he ran a few weeks ago.
He beat Butchart and True who both broke 13:10 last week
And they are more 5k/10k runners. He also lost to Henrik Ingebrigtsen who has a 13:16 PR.
According to Tinman’s own calculator, the 13:08 is pretty close.
dhdbbsbs wrote:
well actually wrote:
According to Daniels calculator 7:39 is equivalent to 13:20 5K. According to McMillan calculator it is equivalent to 13:26. So not much different than what he ran a few weeks ago.
He beat Butchart and True who both broke 13:10 last week
Yes, and they were probably running on tired legs from the sub 13:10 last week. Drew came in fresh. Drew can't peak with these guys.
Excellent run, and an 11(?) second PR to boot. Competed well, finished close to a lot of studs like Stewy McSweyn and ahead of BT. Top American honors are always notable. Hopefully this carries into the rest of the season.
This means that, unless he's injured, he should be favored to make the team for Doha. Let's see if that June fitness translates to effective racing in August.
7:39 doesn't get anyone 'MF' status. He isn't legend. John Legend isn't even legend. He isn't the new Pre. Pre is the new Pre.
New Pre Madonna wrote:
This means that, unless he's injured, he should be favored to make the team for Doha. Let's see if that June fitness translates to effective racing in August.
Favored to make the team for Doha?
Really?
Yes, Hunter beat True today but True may be better at 5000 as he's run 13:09 vs Hunter's 13:21.
He's not beating Chelimo. If Ryan Hill is on his game, I doubt he's beating him. Thankfully for Hunter, every single guy in Schumacher's group appears to be injured.
Kirubel Erassa destroyed Hunter at Stanford and he's in the same training group. Then there is Mead who is not bad. Mead has a 13:02 pb and has run 13:23. Jenkins was just behind him at Stanford and has a better pb.
What about Lawi? Lawi ran 13:25 all alone and has a 13:00 pb.
And Grant Fisher is no chump.
So certainly the argument could be made that he's the #2 choice. MAYBE you can argue that I'd say that Chelimo has a 100% chance of making the team barring a fall and then everyone else is less than 50%.
McMillian and other calculators are great tools but real life running is not a formula. If anyone is exceptional to the calculators, it’s the pros.
Can we take a moment to appreciate that Lagat and Kennedy are only born 4 years apart but their times were ran 12 years apart.