Semenya wins in court, is able to race all distances without lowering her testosterone

Yet there's an entire thread all pissed off about older men using testosterone as an advantage for recovery and athletic performance. So, which is it? Should we let the women in CS events use testosterone without reservation or limit? Or should CS run with the men- the category in which XY designates?

just let everyone dope. seriously easiest way to level the playing field.

On a legal point, I wonder how a Swiss court has jurisdiction over the IAAF, as national courts do not typically have the ability to impose decisions beyond their own borders.

Apart from that, it appears that the legal and political establishment internationally is increasingly arraigned against the IAAF proposal, and the new politics of gender inclusivity will hold sway in women's sport. It is ironic; women have fought hard to extend their rights, only to risk losing some of them them by acceding to an ideology that allows males into their sports.

As long as her medical passport says woman she has to be treated as that

I guess the judges found the women's 800m race in Stockholm too lame... :D

Armstronglivs wrote:

On a legal point, I wonder how a Swiss court has jurisdiction over the IAAF, as national courts do not typically have the ability to impose decisions beyond their own borders.

Apart from that, it appears that the legal and political establishment internationally is increasingly arraigned against the IAAF proposal, and the new politics of gender inclusivity will hold sway in women's sport. It is ironic; women have fought hard to extend their rights, only to risk losing some of them them by acceding to an ideology that allows males into their sports.

Women fought hard for their rights, often to the exclusion of men. 12.6 scholarships for men, 18 for women. Sure there are equal opportunities if you count the 150 man football roster, half of who will never see play time. Men have to be nearly elite to walk on a college team where as women can be just better than average to fill out title ix numbers so football can have their 150. Its only natural that some are going to seek ways to compete at any cost. I'm not talking just about Semenya, because this really isn't an isolated incident.

Good bye female athletics.

Good bye to what advances females have worked hard for in sport.

PC culture is the demise of it all.

I actually blame female athletes for not taking charge of their own destiny, not making a stand for their rights. Why do they race against these guys? Where are all the women’s rights movements on this? They seem to jump on men with reckless abandon, can’t they understand what having a Y chromosome competing in sports means to female sport?

Too bad ladies.

Where is the real women’s rights movement? wrote:

Good bye female athletics.

Good bye to what advances females have worked hard for in sport.

PC culture is the demise of it all.

I actually blame female athletes for not taking charge of their own destiny, not making a stand for their rights. Why do they race against these guys? Where are all the women’s rights movements on this? They seem to jump on men with reckless abandon, can’t they understand what having a Y chromosome competing in sports means to female sport?

Too bad ladies.

Any women who have even suggested that is there is an element of unfairness has been crucified, it's hardly a shock they aren't lining up to cause a huge commotion.

It's easy for us to give it the big one behind our anonymous usernames, tougher when you're someone like Lynsey Sharp (yes yes, she's a bit of a whinger) makes one comment straight after losing an Olympic final and she's had years of being vilified because of it.

FinnJ wrote:

As long as her medical passport says woman she has to be treated as that

Not quite. Doctors will treat a person according to their biology, not their gender.

Being a guy doesn’t guarantee you can compete with elite women in any event. Get over it and work harder if you don’t like it.

Armstronglivs wrote:

On a legal point, I wonder how a Swiss court has jurisdiction over the IAAF, as national courts do not typically have the ability to impose decisions beyond their own borders.

That Saints fan that tried to sue the NFL over the missed pass interference call should have filed suit in Switzerland.

A one more step towards a fair competition. The best athletes should win. No discrimination because of gender or sex

I'm not sure if this is only a stop on the ruling while her appeal is decided, or how long the appeal process will take, but this seems to be a temporary victory for Semenya and a huge loss for women's sport.

ohia wrote:

just let everyone dope. seriously easiest way to level the playing field.

^This

Also while both the CAS and IAAF are located in Switzerland, I'm not so sure this court should have jurisdiction over this matter. Theoretically no court should have jurisdiction over the CAS because it's effectively the world court for sport.

Lefalize PED wrote:

Being a guy doesn’t guarantee you can compete with elite women in any event. Get over it and work harder if you don’t like it.

Mid tier men would be gold medalist in the female category.

IAAF is based in Monaco. I too don't understand how a swiss court has jurisdiction over IAAF.

Been saying it for years wrote:

Also while both the CAS and IAAF are located in Switzerland, I'm not so sure this court should have jurisdiction over this matter. Theoretically no court should have jurisdiction over the CAS because it's effectively the world court for sport.

Governments are not going to be bound by an international tribunal that is not appealable to a court. Having appeallate review by the Swiss courts was one of the conditions of setting up the CAS. It is the reason national courts are willing to defer to CAS. Otherwise you would have national courts constantly weighing in and deciding issues within their borders, as for example a US court did in the Butch Reynolds case (which was later overturned).

Careful with the facts. Semenya didn't win anything that overturns the CAS decision yet. CNN at least is saying that the supreme court of Switzerland has requested/ordered (I'm not sure how jurisdiction works here) that the ban be lifted while Semenya's appeal is heard in that court. That would imply that she still has to convince someone to overturn the decision of CAS - something I would think is still a high hurdle to clear.

Why do they have the long drawn out initial process and then the " just kidding" reversal almost immediately?