Everyone is talking about Caster Semenya, and how her broad shoulders and unusual testosterone production gives her an unfair advantage.
When it was found that Michael Phelps produced 1/2 the lactic acid of a typical athlete (I'm not going to explain lactic acid to a running forum), his differences were celebrated.
No one suggested that Michael Phelps takes medication to increase his lactic acid production....why is Caster Semenya any different?
Perhaps you should make the effort to read the several other threads on this topic.
I'd bet if you tested his competitors too, they produce a lot less lactic acid compared to the average man on the street. Because they are elite level olympic athletes.
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Everyone is talking about Caster Semenya, and how her broad shoulders and unusual testosterone production gives her an unfair advantage.
When it was found that Michael Phelps produced 1/2 the lactic acid of a typical athlete (I'm not going to explain lactic acid to a running forum), his differences were celebrated.
No one suggested that Michael Phelps takes medication to increase his lactic acid production....why is Caster Semenya any different?
Congratulations - I too saw this infographic posted on facebook - difference is, I didn't copy and paste it to letsrun.
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I'd bet if you tested his competitors too, they produce a lot less lactic acid compared to the average man on the street. Because they are elite level olympic athletes.
Does the same thing not apply for Caster's competitors?
Men and women are separated in athletics because men have a significant performance advantage over women. Semenya has XY chromosomes, and produces male levels of testosterone. Athletes are not separated by their levels of lactic acid production, which is why the Phelps comparison falls flat.
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Are you smoking crack wrote:
I'd bet if you tested his competitors too, they produce a lot less lactic acid compared to the average man on the street. Because they are elite level olympic athletes.
Does the same thing not apply for Caster's competitors?
Only real way for real women to beat her is if they are doping. If this isn't clear that a man has a unfair advantage to women in athletics and should not be allowed to compete in the female category, I don't know what is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_800_metresI don't think either of them could break 14:00 in the 5k or 29:00 in the 10k, especially in the shape that Phelps is in right now. If he had six solid months to train ... MAYBE?
Are you smoking crack wrote:
I'd bet if you tested his competitors too, they produce a lot less lactic acid compared to the average man on the street. Because they are elite level olympic athletes.
I'd bet if you tested Semenya's competitors too, you would find chromosomal oddities, and other physical non-normal oddities as well.
FYI: Producing "a lot less lactic acid" than normal people is not typical of Olympic athletes.
This is unfair wrote:
Everyone is talking about Caster Semenya, and how her broad shoulders and unusual testosterone production gives her an unfair advantage.
When it was found that Michael Phelps produced 1/2 the lactic acid of a typical athlete (I'm not going to explain lactic acid to a running forum), his differences were celebrated.
No one suggested that Michael Phelps takes medication to increase his lactic acid production....why is Caster Semenya any different?
Cut and dry:
Semenya XY
Phelps XY
Ironically, they're NOT different.
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This is unfair wrote:
Everyone is talking about Caster Semenya, and how her broad shoulders and unusual testosterone production gives her an unfair advantage.
When it was found that Michael Phelps produced 1/2 the lactic acid of a typical athlete (I'm not going to explain lactic acid to a running forum), his differences were celebrated.
No one suggested that Michael Phelps takes medication to increase his lactic acid production....why is Caster Semenya any different?
Congratulations - I too saw this infographic posted on facebook - difference is, I didn't copy and paste it to letsrun.
Mr. Fred Kerley posted this same thing on his IG story. Man, I didn't realize how poorly educated that guy was until I got on his page. He's as dumb as a bag of hammers. A brilliant excerpt from his IG story:
"They don't sale them no more you got to go OG with them"
Holy $hit.
Man Jeans wrote:
Cut and dry:
Semenya XY
Phelps XY
Ironically, they're NOT different.
Moronically, you are retarded.
Does every XY: have the same color skin? the same penis size? the same height? the same IQ?
Phelps has built-in, blade-runner style, double-jointed ankles . . . WTF. AND he has as an abnormal ability to process lactic acid . . . which is just a BS part, and a weak attempt to hide his drug use .... he does love his bong, amongst whatever other drugs he is taking.
Ironic Lee wrote:
Man Jeans wrote:
Cut and dry:
Semenya XY
Phelps XY
Ironically, they're NOT different.
Moronically, you are retarded.
Does every XY: have the same color skin? the same penis size? the same height? the same IQ?
Phelps has built-in, blade-runner style, double-jointed ankles . . . WTF. AND he has as an abnormal ability to process lactic acid . . . which is just a BS part, and a weak attempt to hide his drug use .... he does love his bong, amongst whatever other drugs he is taking.
Phelps fanboys have erased from their minds:
https://www.promises.com/blog/after-rehab-michael-phelps-says-anything-is-possible/https://www.drugrehab.com/2016/05/16/michael-phelps-opens-up-about-his-struggles-with-alcohol/lactate doesnt exist in the body in an acid state. Lactate enters the cori cycle and is shuttled to the liver and converted to glucose to be reused by the skeletal muscles.
This is unfair wrote:
Everyone is talking about Caster Semenya, and how her broad shoulders and unusual testosterone production gives her an unfair advantage.
When it was found that Michael Phelps produced 1/2 the lactic acid of a typical athlete (I'm not going to explain lactic acid to a running forum), his differences were celebrated.
No one suggested that Michael Phelps takes medication to increase his lactic acid production....why is Caster Semenya any different?
This has already been discussed and I'll say the same thing which ended the debate on the other thread - Why are you citing Phelps rather than talking about lactic acid production in a FEMALE swimmer?
The irony is that you need to be sexist by choosing to use Phelps, rather than a female swimmer, as that is the only means you can even make this flawed attempted analogy. Or are you claiming differing lactic acid levels can only exist in males?
Utter Moran!
Ironic Lee wrote:
Man Jeans wrote:
Cut and dry:
Semenya XY
Phelps XY
Ironically, they're NOT different.
Moronically, you are retarded.
Does every XY: have the same color skin? the same penis size? the same height? the same IQ?
Phelps has built-in, blade-runner style, double-jointed ankles . . . WTF. AND he has as an abnormal ability to process lactic acid . . . which is just a BS part, and a weak attempt to hide his drug use .... he does love his bong, amongst whatever other drugs he is taking.
You can call me all the mean and ugly names that you want, but they'll still both be XY. From a basal genetic perspective, there's really no argument.
Man Jeans wrote:
Ironic Lee wrote:
Moronically, you are retarded.
Does every XY: have the same color skin? the same penis size? the same height? the same IQ?
Phelps has built-in, blade-runner style, double-jointed ankles . . . WTF. AND he has as an abnormal ability to process lactic acid . . . which is just a BS part, and a weak attempt to hide his drug use .... he does love his bong, amongst whatever other drugs he is taking.
You can call me all the mean and ugly names that you want, but they'll still both be XY. From a basal genetic perspective, there's really no argument.
You have no clue about genetics. There are XXY, XYY, XXXX, YYYY, XXXY, etc. people.
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Man Jeans wrote:
You can call me all the mean and ugly names that you want, but they'll still both be XY. From a basal genetic perspective, there's really no argument.
You have no clue about genetics. There are XXY, XYY, XXXX, YYYY, XXXY, etc. people.
You made this same argument on another thread, to rehash what one person responded to you with:
Are you serious? wrote:
XXY wrote:
Ahme, no. "You" enter?
BTW: There are XXY, XYY, XXXY, XXXX, XXYY, and XYYY options.
Did you sleep through the part in biology class when they talk about these exceptions to the rule? Since you did, read up.
XXXX, has only been documented in a about hundred cases since 1961.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/48,_XXXXXXXY, is just a male with two extra X chromosomes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXXY_syndromeXXYY syndrome, is just where a male has 48 instead of 46 chromosomes. And it only occurres in about every 1 in 18000-40000 male births.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXYY_syndromeAnd on the XYYY, it is a rare diease.
https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/11985/48-xyyyIn all of these cases, they are exceptions to the rule. And for 99.99% of the human population it is as simple as XX and XY. And for the cases above, they still fall into male or female categories.
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Everyone is talking about Caster Semenya, and how her broad shoulders and unusual testosterone production gives her an unfair advantage.
When it was found that Michael Phelps produced 1/2 the lactic acid of a typical athlete (I'm not going to explain lactic acid to a running forum), his differences were celebrated.
No one suggested that Michael Phelps takes medication to increase his lactic acid production....why is Caster Semenya any different?
The case with Caster Semenya is different because in track and field, athletes are classified into different groups by sex. So it becomes a debate about which groups Caster Semenya falls under. Swimming is the same way. If swimmers were classified into different groups by which arm/leg length, lactic acid production, lung capacity, etc. And Michael Phelps tried to compete in the easier if the classifications, he too would be criticized and rules would be put in place so that he would have to take medication or switch classifications. That's why the caption doesn't work. Athletes aren't classified by lactic acid production, etc.