3hr marathon, 1hr running a day

Lowmileagemiles wrote:

If I can only run 1hr a day, is it so farfetched to run a 3hr marathon?

39min best 10k. Can't lose any weight (already thin). Running for the past few months just running the same amount every day.

I could do at least 70k a week this way, but not sure how I should structure my running.

I specify 1hr a day, so even on weekends, no run beyond 1hr.

Would the whole accumulated fatigue thing allow me to use such a schedule?

Thanks

No.

You CAN run further than 1 hour, you just don't want to.

Yes there are people who have been in existence that could easily break 3 hours in the marathon on running one hour a day, but I'll tell you that those people run a much faster 10k than 39 minutes- they are highly naturally talented individuals. Your most important training run for the marathon is the long run, absolutely do a long run every 7-10 days or else you're just selling yourself short training wise.

That's about 60 MPW, you should at least add a longer run once a week and add a few shorter jogs too. How I would structure it:

Sun am and pm easy hour

Mon am 15-30 minute jog PM hour according to feel with some strides

Tues some longer reps i.e. 800. 1000, 1200, 1600, 2000 and 3000

Wed same as mon

Thurs same as Tues

Fir same as mon

Sat long run with some at marathon pace

Also, if you can do most of your runs over hills as that will kinda make up for not doing that much mileage.

letsrun basement dweller wrote:

That's about 60 MPW, you should at least add a longer run once a week and add a few shorter jogs too.

Uh no. He said he could do 70 km per week that way. That's 43 miles per week.

That means he's either averaging 9:40 per mile, or he's running less than 7 hours per week.

Sorry but sub-3 is just not gonna happen with 43 mpw at 9:40 pace.

Speaker of hard truths (the real 1) wrote:

letsrun basement dweller wrote:

That's about 60 MPW, you should at least add a longer run once a week and add a few shorter jogs too.

Uh no. He said he could do 70 km per week that way. That's 43 miles per week.

That means he's either averaging 9:40 per mile, or he's running less than 7 hours per week.

Sorry but sub-3 is just not gonna happen with 43 mpw at 9:40 pace.

Didn't see that part, I was thinking 7-8 miles within each of these hours. Yeah, you're right, sorry OP that is not going to happen.

I get your point. I have a couple of other hobbies though. So I can't run more based on that without reducing my other hobbies.

Lowmileagemiles wrote:

I get your point. I have a couple of other hobbies though. So I can't run more based on that without reducing my other hobbies.

What other hobbies, how many hobbies do you have?

Speaker of hard truths (the real 1) wrote:

letsrun basement dweller wrote:

That's about 60 MPW, you should at least add a longer run once a week and add a few shorter jogs too.

Uh no. He said he could do 70 km per week that way. That's 43 miles per week.

That means he's either averaging 9:40 per mile, or he's running less than 7 hours per week.

Sorry but sub-3 is just not gonna happen with 43 mpw at 9:40 pace.

To clarify, I was saying at least 70k (I thought you were supposed to do most runs very easy). If I have to run faster I can.

But yeah, looks like 3 isn't happening.

Thanks guys

what are you talking about? wrote:

Lowmileagemiles wrote:

I get your point. I have a couple of other hobbies though. So I can't run more based on that without reducing my other hobbies.

What other hobbies, how many hobbies do you have?

Nothing that benefits running. Just violin, dance practice.

But I already spend a couple of hours a day practicing violin. It's just a priority. Weekends I practice more.

letsrun basement dweller wrote:

Speaker of hard truths (the real 1) wrote:

Uh no. He said he could do 70 km per week that way. That's 43 miles per week.

That means he's either averaging 9:40 per mile, or he's running less than 7 hours per week.

Sorry but sub-3 is just not gonna happen with 43 mpw at 9:40 pace.

Didn't see that part, I was thinking 7-8 miles within each of these hours. Yeah, you're right, sorry OP that is not going to happen.

I can run 7 miles regularly in an hour. 8 I can, but for how many days I don't know. I mean, that's a lot slower than my 39min 10k.

Lengthening one of the runs to 2 hours and one of them to 90 minutes would go a long way, and it would only add 90 minutes to your week.

I could see you possibly running close to 1:30 in a half while only putting in an hour a day.

However, what if you dropped it to six days a week, running an hour a day five days a week, and 2 hours one day a week? For the weeks you need to put in even longer runs (18-22 miles), drop it yo five days a week, 4 one hour days and 1 three hour day?

Lowmileagemiles wrote:

what are you talking about? wrote:

What other hobbies, how many hobbies do you have?

Nothing that benefits running. Just violin, dance practice.

But I already spend a couple of hours a day practicing violin. It's just a priority. Weekends I practice more.

Dance, if fairly serious e.g., ballet, ballroom or even breakdance can benefit (flexibility, balance, ankle strength, proprioception). Music practice make you better at using your feeling instead of robotically following the watch.

More to the point, if you are constraint by the time available, I'd say go ahead and sign up for the race. Don't be fixated on sub-3 hour though (sub 3:30 seems straightforward although you might do better). Figure out the realistic pace by running a half-marathon few weeks before. Try to swap some time slots with other hobbies to get 2 or 3 hour long run, taking run-free day after. It doesn't have to be every week. Few times in the whole training cycle should be helpful already. I'm sure you're aware the marathon isn't just 4.2 x 10k or 2 x half. Glycogen depletion at 20 miles is the special thing that needs to be experienced and got around by long run.

Lowmileagemiles wrote:

If I can only run 1hr a day, is it so farfetched to run a 3hr marathon?

39min best 10k. Can't lose any weight (already thin). Running for the past few months just running the same amount every day.

I could do at least 70k a week this way, but not sure how I should structure my running.

I specify 1hr a day, so even on weekends, no run beyond 1hr.

Would the whole accumulated fatigue thing allow me to use such a schedule?

Thanks

it would be much better to run 2 hours every other day (or 3 times/week) rather than 1 hour every day.

Lowmileagemiles wrote:

If I can only run 1hr a day, is it so farfetched to run a 3hr marathon?

39min best 10k. Can't lose any weight (already thin). Running for the past few months just running the same amount every day.

I could do at least 70k a week this way, but not sure how I should structure my running.

I specify 1hr a day, so even on weekends, no run beyond 1hr.

Would the whole accumulated fatigue thing allow me to use such a schedule?

Thanks

I think you could run 8x mins off this schedule for a half, but not 3 hours for a marathon. The lack of long runs will make it so no matter how long you train like this, you'll burn out in the late miles of the marathon.

If you were getting something like 10-11 miles into a good many of those hour runs I think you'd have a good shot at going under three hours. But doing that brings its own challenges and problems. It is hard to believe that you can only run for an hour even on days when you aren't working, that it would be more accurate to say you don't want to run for more than an hour rather than that you can't. But that's your business.

If you could add just one extra hour per week it would be feasible. A 2 hour run could be 16 miles or so and if you did speedwork then you would be doing a modified Hansons plan. Without a long run there’s no way you’re breaking 3:00. 1:30 half is possible. If you can’t manage an extra hour or two then why even run a marathon?You’re wasting time.

Start a one hour run at 11p

Then keep running until 1am

Do that a couple times a week to get two consec, semi long runs in a week and may get close to 3 hrs

I run 3 hours a week and a max of 5 in peak weeks. And ran a 3:01 marathon a couple of weeks ago, very easy to do if you train smart.