Study on ketone drinks shows it has enormous benefits for endurance athletes

I'll give it a try, what are good ketone drinks to try? I don't know anything about this

How do they know that keotone doesn’t have negative health consequences? They don’t know how/if taking massive quantities of the stuff going to affect you 30 years later, because it’s still a new thing.

LoneStarXC wrote:

How do they know that keotone doesn’t have negative health consequences? They don’t know how/if taking massive quantities of the stuff going to affect you 30 years later, because it’s still a new thing.

Short answer: like any new supplement, they don't. I would assume that some kind of toxicity assessment as been done, but that is of necessity only a short-term risk assessment. OTOH ketones are a natural substrate like glucose, so it's acute toxicity is probably low. I've never tried a supplement, but do most of my training on endogenous ketones thanks to a ketogenic diet. Definitely a different and amazing experience. The thing about the supplement is apparently you are simultaneously operating on both ketones and glucose, so theoretically it is additive rather than substitutive.

YMMV wrote:

Short answer: like any new supplement, they don't. I would assume that some kind of toxicity assessment as been done, but that is of necessity only a short-term risk assessment. OTOH ketones are a natural substrate like glucose, so it's acute toxicity is probably low. I've never tried a supplement, but do most of my training on endogenous ketones thanks to a ketogenic diet. Definitely a different and amazing experience. The thing about the supplement is apparently you are simultaneously operating on both ketones and glucose, so theoretically it is additive rather than substitutive.

Androgens are natural substances too, but taking steroids causes all kinds of problems over time.

A substrate or fuel source operates much differently than a hormone or drug. That said, this is definitely "gray area" doping, the metabolic equivalent of the 4%. Almost certainly NOP has been using this for years.

YMMV wrote:

A substrate or fuel source operates much differently than a hormone or drug. That said, this is definitely "gray area" doping, the metabolic equivalent of the 4%. Almost certainly NOP has been using this for years.

So if I use both can I go 16% faster??

The wada rules dictate the following:

"The WADA Prohibited List may include any substance and methods that satisfy any two of the following three criteria:

1. It has the potential to enhance or enhances sport performance;

2. It represents an actual or potential health risk to the Athlete;

3. It violates the spirit of sport (this definition is outlined in the Code).

Substances or methods which mask the effect or detection of prohibited substances are also prohibited. In addition, a substance which has not been approved for human use is likely to be prohibited as well."

According to wada, ketone drinks only meet the first criterion.

Are the benefits observed whether or not the subject eats a keto diet/achieves "ketosis?" If they are, might ketosis further add to the benefit?

Unknown long term consequences and just a shortcut . Why don’t you just train harder and smarter ?

4% * 4% wrote:

YMMV wrote:

A substrate or fuel source operates much differently than a hormone or drug. That said, this is definitely "gray area" doping, the metabolic equivalent of the 4%. Almost certainly NOP has been using this for years.

So if I use both can I go 16% faster??

And if you add on L-Carnitine and Actovegin, you’ll be 4%*4%*4%*4% = 256% faster, lol. ?

garrettb wrote:

I'll give it a try, what are good ketone drinks to try? I don't know anything about this

Someone provide this poster with details so he can get on it and keep us posted about the benefits.

GreenHobbit wrote:

Are the benefits observed whether or not the subject eats a keto diet/achieves "ketosis?" If they are, might ketosis further add to the benefit?

My suspicion is that the benefits for a ketogenic athlete would be less, as we are already optimizing ketone metabolism, whereas glucose-based athletes can "stack" the ketones on top of their glycolytic metabolism. Just my guess. So in that scenario it allows sugar-burners to benefit from ketones without having to do the diet. I prioritize the health benefits of keto so not as attractive to me.

LoneStarXC wrote:

4% * 4% wrote:

So if I use both can I go 16% faster??

And if you add on L-Carnitine and Actovegin, you’ll be 4%*4%*4%*4% = 256% faster, lol. ?

Mathematically challenged?

1.04 to power 4 is 1.1699, so 16.99% faster

I am Sam wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

And if you add on L-Carnitine and Actovegin, you’ll be 4%*4%*4%*4% = 256% faster, lol. ?

Mathematically challenged?

1.04 to power 4 is 1.1699, so 16.99% faster

This was a joke. Hence the ? emoji.

NOP succeeds by achieving extreme low body weight without metabolic crash. I doubt this is how they do it.

There is obviously no huge boost going on in elite athletics, most of the records are static or moving only slowly. Nothing's improving by more than 1%. Yall are just suckers for sales hype, 300 bucks a pop!

If you say that 13:00 for 5000m was the limit for athletes prior to EPO (Aouita did run 12:58 but was probably on steroids and more given his advocacy of doping as necessary when he was coaching Australian runners), then a 3% improvement would give you 12:37 WR. A top collegiate runner at 13:20 would become among the top Americans all-time and possibly compete for medals with a 3% improvement as well. So, they don't need 15% improvement; they just need a few percent and maybe there is something that would do so legally for elites. With neophytes, as in this study, big improvements are probably mostly just noise.

tejava unsweetened ice tea should be pretty safe to take and helps fat burning. dont drink it if you have low iron though tea blocks iron absorption.

But like a post said above, where do I get a ketone drink so I can try it and report back?

Of course it was cleared by WADA. Try running fast by ketosis. It's what we use to call "hitting the wall".