Kipchoge dominance is simply too good to be true

First off, I think that Elias Kipchoge has likely been manipulating his hormone levels for some time—perhaps well over a decade at this point (12:46 in 2004).

Regardless, he deserves all the credit he has received for his unwavering commitment to his training, which is second to none, and for his brilliance in marathon races. I just haven’t seen anything like it, and perhaps there won’t be a runner as dominant as he is for a very long time. He is undeniably great.

I’m of the ilk that believes that anti-doping is an absolute joke; it’s a flawed, corrupt system manipulated by those with the means to do so, and disproportionately targets those who lack the social capital to understand how to circumvent testing and/or grease the right hands to stay “clean”. This isn’t speculation; people make documentaries about how pathetic this system is and yet for some reason many choose to still believe it to be a fair means to eliminate cheating from the sport. Scoffing at these people wouldn’t even begin to show my amusement at their naïveté.

I think that until we can be confident that an international organization will treat athletes the same, regardless of status, dollar value to the sport, country, etc., anti-doping should absolutely be barred from the sport. I say with 100% confidence that this would create more of an even playing field than what we have now. Athletes like Kipchoge should be celebrated for the unbelievable genetic specimens that they are, and the unbelievable strength of will that they have. Anyone in that range of ability is probably manipulating hormones, so it’s more about talent, training and will. These are what truly set Eliud Kipchoge apart from the rest:

Eliud* lol

His PED is the shoes. Kipchoge never broke 2:04 before he put the shoes on. Simple.

You think he’s doping but say he desverves all the credit? Those two don’t mix. Doping is pathetic.

Letsrun: inconsistency = dirty

Also Letsrun: consistency = dirty

last two brain cells wrote:

Letsrun: inconsistency = dirty

Also Letsrun: consistency = dirty

Both can be true. Lance systematically doped and was consistently dominant. Other dopers come out of nowhere to dominate and are caught or they fade away.

Shunpo wrote:

His PED is the shoes. Kipchoge never broke 2:04 before he put the shoes on. Simple.

Nope. The win streak started before the shoes. Others have the shoes.

VAboi wrote:

First off, I think that Elias Kipchoge has likely been a dirty doping cheat for a long time —perhaps well over a decade at this point (12:46 in 2004), but like the many doping apologists on this forum, I don't care because I enjoy beating off to rocket fueled dark skinned men.

VAboi wrote:

I think that until we can be confident that an international organization will treat athletes the same, regardless of status, dollar value to the sport, country, etc., anti-doping should absolutely be barred from the sport. I say with 100% confidence that this would create more of an even playing field than what we have now. Athletes like Kipchoge should be celebrated for the unbelievable genetic specimens that they are, and the unbelievable strength of will that they have. Anyone in that range of ability is probably manipulating hormones, so it’s more about talent, training and will. These are what truly set Eliud Kipchoge apart from the rest:

Why should someone be "celebrated" for hitting the genetic lottery at birth, which is something they attained via no effort of their own? What is perceived as "unbelievable strength of will" is often just physical superiority conferred by those genetics.

Kipchoge is on roxadustat

Translation: I'm Russian and I think my athletes should get to cheat.

I think it’s incredibly childish and naive to think ANY athlete winning Olympic titles in ANY sport is clean.

Just assume anyone with a chance of winning these big time marathons is doped and it’s a fair race.

No one watching the NFL is online debating whether or not they juice (they do).

Alan

It’s also not just drugs or the shoes. There are simply more faster runners taking up the marathon earlier in their careers. When you have a handful of elite talent 5k runners all running the marathon then it becomes easier to run fast times. In the past you would either see washed up track athletes try the marathon to extend their careers or slower athletes with relatively weak track times. Over the last decade the marathon has become a track race.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

I think it’s incredibly childish and naive to think ANY athlete winning Olympic titles in ANY sport is clean.

Just assume anyone with a chance of winning these big time marathons is doped and it’s a fair race.

No one watching the NFL is online debating whether or not they juice (they do).

Alan

You can't spell Kipchoge without 3 important letters.

Just like with Asbel Kiprop

If it's too good to be true, it isn't. But he is so entertaining to watch, Marathons need him.

Runningart2004 wrote:

I think it’s incredibly childish and naive to think ANY athlete winning Olympic titles in ANY sport is clean.

Just assume anyone with a chance of winning these big time marathons is doped and it’s a fair race.

No one watching the NFL is online debating whether or not they juice (they do).

Alan

No it's a false comparison. EPO can turn a sub elite into a GOAT. No ped can do that for an NFL guy, or turn a boxing or MMA journeyman into a GOAT. Given what we know now about the lack of testing in East Africa (and formerly North Africa), it seems beyond stupidity to believe that's it's a level playing field, even with the dubious assumption that ALL athletes will dope given the opportunity.

Furthermore, I can appreciate that in sports like MMA the peds enhance the spectacle. You could also argue that they allow fighters to recover from the beatings they take in both the ring/octagon and in sparring. In running all that peds do is make the results completely fraudulent.

Doping apologists like you are disgusting, and when they appear to have connections to the sport, it's truly disturbing.

You are very naive.

Let’s say no one is taking steroids in the NFL. Now let’s boost an already great athletic Linebacker with steroids for 5 yrs. You don’t think he would be a GOAT? Keep dreaming.

Alan

The dastardly Brits failed. Only 5th place for Mo. The plan to sabotage Mo worked. His watch was hidden inside the piano of the hotel lobby.

A scenario, from a 1995 poll of 198 sprinters, swimmers, powerlifters and other assorted athletes, most of them U.S.

Olympians or aspiring Olympians: You are offered a banned performance-enhancing substance, with two guarantees: 1) You

will not be caught. 2) You will win. Would you take the substance?

One hundred and ninety-five athletes said yes; three said no.

Scenario II: You are offered a banned performance-enhancing substance that comes with two guarantees: 1) You will not be caught. 2) You will win every competition you enter for the next

five years, and then you will die from the side effects of the

substance. Would you take it?

More than half the athletes said yes.