In the Olympics Trials and Olympics only.
Men's Events: All you need to do is prove you are not on drugs
Women's Events: You need to prove your Testosterone is less than 5 and that you are not on drugs.
Everyone Else: Anything goes other than drug use.
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Thee "men's" and "everyone else" division you described are the same.
Problems with this:
1: Due to human physiology the winner in hypothetical D3 would just be some sub-elite dude
2: track meets, already a long affair, would last even longer
3: They couldn't truly monitor the use of testosterone in athletes in D3 without excuses being used.
While a good concept, this simply wouldn't work. Just like how letting Semenya compete with women doesn't work due to her having a man's bone density/muscular structure/testosterone.
Hardloper wrote:
Thee "men's" and "everyone else" division you described are the same.
Good point.
Everyone else would have to include a phrase "Everyone one else not qualifying for the Men's or Women's Divisions."
Better yet call it an OPEN division and state a paragraph explaining who can not be a part of it!
Men
Women
Open
Do it by testosterone levels:
1. Low
2. Medium
3. High
winnr1 wrote:
Problems with this:
1: Due to human physiology the winner in hypothetical D3 would just be some sub-elite dude
2: track meets, already a long affair, would last even longer
3: They couldn't truly monitor the use of testosterone in athletes in D3 without excuses being used.
While a good concept, this simply wouldn't work. Just like how letting Semenya compete with women doesn't work due to her having a man's bone density/muscular structure/testosterone.
Okay, yes those are good points too.
Perhaps in 2024 you add the OPEN division to the restricted events 400-1500.
Lydiard Cerutty wrote:
Do it by testosterone levels:
1. Low
2. Medium
3. High
lol, but that just cuts out Semenya and that 1% Amby Burfoot was talking about.
The only good solution. Only have one human category. No discrimination, equality If opportunity. The winner is the best human in that sport.
NnNnNnNnNn wrote:
In the Olympics Trials and Olympics only.
Men's Events: All you need to do is prove you are not on drugs
Women's Events: You need to prove your Testosterone is less than 5 and that you are not on drugs.
Everyone Else: Anything goes other than drug use.
Discus Morans
anything more complicated than a male XY and a female XX should compete in the paralympics. they can even have 15 different categories of genders in the paralympics and everyone can be included.
ONE division. Winner takes all. Liberals lose.
Wonvote wrote:
ONE division. Winner takes all. Liberals lose.
I can live with that
parasale wrote:
NnNnNnNnNn wrote:
In the Olympics Trials and Olympics only.
Men's Events: All you need to do is prove you are not on drugs
Women's Events: You need to prove your Testosterone is less than 5 and that you are not on drugs.
Everyone Else: Anything goes other than drug use.
Discus Morans
anything more complicated than a male XY and a female XX should compete in the paralympics. they can even have 15 different categories of genders in the paralympics and everyone can be included.
So if your XX with a condition that gives you 5x the test of the rest of the competitors, that is fair? We moved away from xx and xy cause they don't really quantify the problem well. You have xx people with male traits cause and you have xy people that look female and don't have high t levels.
And the obvious issue with 3rd categories lack of competitors and interest. We don't have 50+ castor's racing the 800m. We have a half dozen.
Thank you for the replies.
As for the paralympics answer they do not have that in the real Olympics.
Bump this a couple times as it is better than any solution other than merely testing everyone for testosterone levels.
Semenyagoat wrote:
The only good solution. Only have one human category. No discrimination, equality If opportunity. The winner is the best human in that sport.
Why would women even compete?
NnNnNnNnNn wrote:
In the Olympics Trials and Olympics only.
Men's Events: All you need to do is prove you are not on drugs
Women's Events: You need to prove your Testosterone is less than 5 and that you are not on drugs.
Everyone Else: Anything goes other than drug use.
Discus Morans
Discuss
Let’s add in an “all drugs allowed” division. It could be entertaining.
There are many cases in history of males who competed as females in the Olympics.
That is why we need a third division. Here are just a couple cases:
*Perhaps the earliest known case is that of Stanisława Walasiewicz (aka Stella Walsh), a Polish athlete who won a gold medal in the women's 100 m at the 1932 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles, but who after her death in 1980 was discovered to have had partially developed male genitalia.*
*Before the advent of sexual verification tests, German athlete Dora Ratjen competed in the 1936 Olympic Games in Berlin and placed fourth in the women's high jump. She later competed and set a world record for the women's high jump at the 1938 European Championships before tests by the German police concluded that Ratjen was a man. Ratjen was likely an intersex individual, based on the physician's description who conducted the examination. Though raised as a girl, Ratjen later took the name Heinrich Ratjen following an official registry change.*
There are many reasons why a third division is called for:
Indian athlete and swimmer Pratima Gaonkar commits suicide after disclosure and public commentary on a failed sex verification test.
Indian middle-distance runner Santhi Soundarajan, who won the silver medal in 800 m at the 2006 Asian Games in Doha, Qatar, failed the sex verification test and was stripped of her medal.
Do we really want people to mutilate themselves for fame?
Transgender athletes who wish to compete in the female category are allowed to do so if their testosterone levels are in accordance with the required levels. However, the IOC stated that requiring surgical anatomical changes as a requirement for participation may be considered as a violation of notions of human rights. Athletics is considered as a means that could engage transgender individuals within the greater society due to athletics' ability to intertwine family, friends, and business and to construct an overarching theme of culture. However, others opposed the participation of transgender athletes on women's teams by stating that it is unsound. Athletes who have received opposition include Mianne Bagger, Martine Delaney(who participated in "Soccer Tasmanian's women's league"), Lana Lawless etc.