Nike Zoom Streak LT 4 w/ Matumbo Plate ("Streaktumbo") is now on sale

Are they going make a road racing flat version of this?

Pansy wrote:

Are they going make a road racing flat version of this?

They already do. It's the Zoom LT.

ProDirect (and their sister site StartFitness) are both legit. I have bought one thing from PD and several from SF.

OP: cool find. I hate their stock is already so low; I would have loved for a couple of my kids to try these out.

Zante wrote:

A lot of pro Nike athletes have been using custom Streak LTs fitted with a Matumbo plate for years now as a workout shoe for long, fast track sessions, grass reps, and occasional XC racing.

This past summer/fall season, Nike rolled them out to select universities for testing.

AND NOW, they're on sale. Have only found them on this UK website so far, but this seems to be a legit site and sizes are selling out fast.

https://www.prodirectrunning.com/products/Nike-Spike-Flat-Sail-Blackened-Blue-Ashen-Slate-Mens-Shoes-AQ3610-144-200350.aspx?qfh=200350

This is actually pretty big because people have been both asking for this for a while and making them on their own for a long time. So for Nike to start selling them is huge.

Almost pulled the trigger on these last week but can’t really see a use for this combo myself. Hopefully it isn’t a one-off because they would be worth a lot in ~5+ years. Agree this is a big release for the public.

If Nike would put a thin Zoom X midsole with some kinda carbon into the mid-/forefoot under a Matumbo / Mamba / Victory upper all without a disgusting stack height they can just go ahead and take all my money. ?

We see endless variations of the 4% (Elite) at road races that pros sample, but I really haven’t seen what gets used for shorter races like 5th Avenue Mile. I don’t believe that with all these new releases/technology that guys are racing in ordinary flats. The Streak LT feel good, nothing compared to a spike though...

Full disclosure, I have some good connections, so I know a little bit about what's up.

I will say that most Nike guys are racing road miles in standard Nike flats -- mostly Streak LTs, sometimes the Japanese market flats make an appearance. Some of them may be prototypes of the next version (no LT 5s have appeared as of yet), and very, very rarely are they customized, and even then, it's usually just an upper change. (streak LT 2 bottom/mamba 2 upper was relatively common a few years ago) No carbon fiber shanks in their LTs.

I think most of the R&D right now is going into their Vaporfly line. They have some very interesting things coming down the pipe, some maybe people have seen, and some not.

That's all I can say.

Zante wrote:

Full disclosure, I have some good connections, so I know a little bit about what's up.

I will say that most Nike guys are racing road miles in standard Nike flats -- mostly Streak LTs, sometimes the Japanese market flats make an appearance. Some of them may be prototypes of the next version (no LT 5s have appeared as of yet), and very, very rarely are they customized, and even then, it's usually just an upper change. (streak LT 2 bottom/mamba 2 upper was relatively common a few years ago) No carbon fiber shanks in their LTs.

I think most of the R&D right now is going into their Vaporfly line. They have some very interesting things coming down the pipe, some maybe people have seen, and some not.

That's all I can say.

Just curious - what are some Nike racing flats on an Asian last?

Gracias amigo :-)

Nike Lunarspider R6, Nike Zoom Speed Racer 6, Nike Zoom Speed Rival 6 all come from the Japanese market. Not sure if Nike uses a "typical" Asian last, but besides the Speed Rival, they fit very similar to the old Streak LT platform, maybe slightly wider in the forefoot. Since the Rival is supposed to be a trainer/racer (like the GOrun Speed 3), it's a bit more traditional-fitting, and actually kind of narrow in the toebox relatively speaking.

Also, if you're interested in more Western companies making Asian market-only flats, try looking up the adidas adizero Bekoji. It's an Asia/EU-only flat, but it's like a budget Takumi Sen. Kind of what the old Streak LT 2 used to be like, as it's decently cushioned and also pretty affordable. They also have the adizero RC, which is like a budget adios.

New Balance also has more "Hanzo" models debuting in Asia right now.

Zante wrote:

Full disclosure, I have some good connections, so I know a little bit about what's up.

I will say that most Nike guys are racing road miles in standard Nike flats -- mostly Streak LTs, sometimes the Japanese market flats make an appearance. Some of them may be prototypes of the next version (no LT 5s have appeared as of yet), and very, very rarely are they customized, and even then, it's usually just an upper change. (streak LT 2 bottom/mamba 2 upper was relatively common a few years ago) No carbon fiber shanks in their LTs.

I think most of the R&D right now is going into their Vaporfly line. They have some very interesting things coming down the pipe, some maybe people have seen, and some not.

That's all I can say.

Thanks for the info.

A question you may be able to answer: Say someone were a top-tier Nike athlete and they were really into shoes. Would Nike be willing go mate existing uppers/midsoles/plates/outsoles if they were compatible?

For example, it’s pretty well known that Mo Farah has used the OG Victory plate forever on successive generations of upper, meaning he has probably been adamant about requesting that specific plate.

Lately Nike’s designers seem to be practically airdropping crates full of various combinations of the Vaporfly 4% to Kenyan groups, especially Kipchoge’s. I assume the sub-Kipchoges “get what we give you” in terms of top-of-the-line shoes that are probably returned to Nike and analyzed. I’m sure there is more dialogue/feedback between Kipchoge and Tinker (or whoever) about what works for him.

I remember Rupp having crazy spotted Ventsaris and the like while still in HS. Maybe Rupp is a shoe geek and requested certain combinations, or maybe Salazar was choosing combinations.

I guess my curiosity in all of this is whether these one-off combinations could be feasible for the public someday ala the old Nike ID, but so much better. If people will pay $250+ for a Vaporfly could we ever see a price point where Nike ID “2.0” could offer actual customizability?

Thanks for this :-) All the best.

For your entertainment: a search for the above shoes led me to an old entry level XC flat, the Zoom Speed Waffle. Check out this typo:

Rivals, beware. The lightweight speed and aggressive traction of the Nike Zoom Rival Waffle are no match for the competition.

Or, maybe they are honestly saying the shoe sucks? lol

https://www.eastbay.com/product/~/04720001.html?SID=7726&inceptor=1&cm_mmc=SEM-_-PLA-_-Google-_-04720001&gclid=CjwKCAjwhbHlBRAMEiwAoDA34ydVQYcSucKnpZ1wuJA3EnHdIMMHnrxCJyDwZo70-MlA2xItzeT0uxoCdaYQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

It can go down a few avenues I think, but generally speaking, yes. Sometimes it depends on your agent or coach and their connections (not every Nike athlete has these opportunities). But usually they just send an order to one of their Chinese factories or cobblers for a one-off model run. Centro likes an OG vic plate and a Mamba 2 upper, which has an arch wrap for extra support. Wheating had a metatarsal injury around 2013, so they alleviated it by removing one of the spike wells on one of his Vic Elites. Rupp wore something interesting in 2014 that looked insane and strange and totally unique, and I have never seen anything like it again. Looked like a very old-school 80s Nike spike upper with a custom-molded, thicker sole. Upper may have had a combo of suede and Flyknit, it was that strange.

These factories still have the tooling to be able to make these uppers and plates and such, so sometimes they may order a big run of, say, Victory 2's in the newest colorway for all of their athletes who still prefer the Victory 2.

I think in regards to Kipchoge's group, there's a trickle-down effect where he's both handing off all of these prototypes, and also requesting more gear for his guys. I think. Not sure though. I know Geoffrey Kamworor trades a lot with Kipchoge.

This option to mix and match will probably never be available to the public, but that's the cost of being invested in the running shoe world is that you get to see all of these cool things being made and know you'll never see them hit shelves. The reason the LT 4 spike was produced like this was because there was already a huge, universal demand for "splats," even among non-Nike athletes. These are the first spike/flat hybrid to hit the market in this way. Don't be surprised if you never see them hit shelves again, but I think they have a good shot at making it to the US market. It's all dependent on demand.

Tried getting a pair shipped to the US, but got repeated 'payment not processed' type messages. Thoughts?

JC7?

No money here wrote:

Tried getting a pair shipped to the US, but got repeated 'payment not processed' type messages. Thoughts?

I used PayPal. Not a problem in my order in the least.

Good info.

Come to think of it I can’t really even recall many crazy spikes on Jerry’s, Rosa’s or Aden’s athletes. At least not as prominently as Salazar’s. I guess Gwen did wear 4% x Matumbos. Muir had something crazy on indoors, too.

I need to see this Rupp shoe.

Do you know anything about Flyprint as “Nike ID 2.0” ? I thought this was gonna be a thing after London.

I used PayPal and CC the first time, which both ran into problems. I got an email a little while later saying to finish my checkout. CC was declined again, but PayPal was finally accepted. Guess ill wait to see what happens from here

Regarding Jerry's athletes and Muir's spike, that's one thing I can't go into specifics about, but it's all out there on social media and such so you've pretty much seen everything. It's essentially taking the concept of the Vaporfly (zoomX high-return + cushy foam, spoon/sandwiched spike plate so the heel compresses it down) and applying it to a track spike. Rupp used a version of it in the Rio 10K, and you can see it on a lot of the BTC Elite folks. Sadly, it's a dead-end concept and isn't going to see any further development, as far as I know.

Here are the Rupp spikes I was talking about. There's also a link I found with up-close shots of the spike, only 2, but you can see that it's a one of one deal.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhHtiCPCUAAZqNG.jpg:large

https://photobucket.com/gallery/user/bwysocki08/media/cGF0aDpNb2JpbGUgVXBsb2Fkcy9pbWFnZV96cHM2MTJmMGU4NS5qcGc=/?ref=

And about Flyprint, I think it has a bit more to go before it becomes more accessible to the public. 3D printing midsoles and uppers still needs to be figured out in regards to cost of manufacture, since nothing like this has ever been done before.

BUT with Tokyo 2020 coming up, Nike has some very exciting things in store that might blow your mind. I haven't even seen for myself what I'm referencing, but apparently it's something very cool.

So I warmed up in mid Jan put my Streak lt3s on for a local 5k road race. I was running along at the front going through the 1st km @ 3:03, feeling fresh barely breathing, about 200m later the race went around a cobblestone corner and "ping" I felt a sharp pain in my right achilles and began to hobble. Now I have a fat left achilles and a dodgy right achilles. The lt3s/4s belong in a young man's game.