Where has he been? Is he going to be slated for any DL meets? If our bones are always wet, why cant I feel it?
Where has he been? Is he going to be slated for any DL meets? If our bones are always wet, why cant I feel it?
Somebody come and get their man wrote:
If our bones are always wet, why cant I feel it?
Do fish realize they are wet?
He posted on Instagram earlier this year I think that he was back in training.
I can't believe that he wont be going for a third gold in Tokyo. He'll still be only 31. His appearance fees on the track and sponsorship must be way higher than any other athlete since Bolt retired.
TBH, it would be highly suspicious if he doesn't come back - on the El G retiring after Sydney just when the EPO tests came in suspicious scale.
Snell is still the GOAT, and it's still quite plausible to argue that Coe is still the greatest ever talent at 800m. Rudisha winning a third gold and it would be very hard to argue against Rudisha.
Coevett wrote:
He posted on Instagram earlier this year I think that he was back in training.
I can't believe that he wont be going for a third gold in Tokyo. He'll still be only 31. His appearance fees on the track and sponsorship must be way higher than any other athlete since Bolt retired.
TBH, it would be highly suspicious if he doesn't come back - on the El G retiring after Sydney just when the EPO tests came in suspicious scale.
Snell is still the GOAT, and it's still quite plausible to argue that Coe is still the greatest ever talent at 800m. Rudisha winning a third gold and it would be very hard to argue against Rudisha.
Idk man. I think Rudisha running a solo world record after rounds in an Olympic final is possibly the greatest track and field performance of all time.
Coevett wrote:
He posted on Instagram earlier this year I think that he was back in training.
I can't believe that he wont be going for a third gold in Tokyo. He'll still be only 31. His appearance fees on the track and sponsorship must be way higher than any other athlete since Bolt retired.
TBH, it would be highly suspicious if he doesn't come back - on the El G retiring after Sydney just when the EPO tests came in suspicious scale.
Snell is still the GOAT, and it's still quite plausible to argue that Coe is still the greatest ever talent at 800m. Rudisha winning a third gold and it would be very hard to argue against Rudisha.
Rudisha is the GOAT, and it wouldn't be suspicious if he can't regain his top form. Sorry to break those facts to you.
Yeah he's had a ton of injuries. He has 10 years of high-level running, and 8 years with 1:43 point or faster so it's a plenty long career. He has never appeared on any doping stuff, and there's been no major breakthrough that would explain him just going away.
feeding frederik wrote:
Coevett wrote:
He posted on Instagram earlier this year I think that he was back in training.
I can't believe that he wont be going for a third gold in Tokyo. He'll still be only 31. His appearance fees on the track and sponsorship must be way higher than any other athlete since Bolt retired.
TBH, it would be highly suspicious if he doesn't come back - on the El G retiring after Sydney just when the EPO tests came in suspicious scale.
Snell is still the GOAT, and it's still quite plausible to argue that Coe is still the greatest ever talent at 800m. Rudisha winning a third gold and it would be very hard to argue against Rudisha.
Rudisha is the GOAT, and it wouldn't be suspicious if he can't regain his top form. Sorry to break those facts to you.
Coevett wrote:
He posted on Instagram earlier this year I think that he was back in training.
I can't believe that he wont be going for a third gold in Tokyo. He'll still be only 31. His appearance fees on the track and sponsorship must be way higher than any other athlete since Bolt retired.
TBH, it would be highly suspicious if he doesn't come back - on the El G retiring after Sydney just when the EPO tests came in suspicious scale.
Snell is still the GOAT, and it's still quite plausible to argue that Coe is still the greatest ever talent at 800m. Rudisha winning a third gold and it would be very hard to argue against Rudisha.
Snell and Coe are jokes compared to Rudisha. He broke the world record leading from start to finish in the Olympic Final and rabbited multiple National Records and Personal Bests while doing it. This is AFTER telling the field exactly what pace he would be going out in, and telling his countryman not to follow the pace in order to take advantage of the blowups that would happen in a two-lap race.
Coevett wrote:
He posted on Instagram earlier this year I think that he was back in training.
I can't believe that he wont be going for a third gold in Tokyo. He'll still be only 31. His appearance fees on the track and sponsorship must be way higher than any other athlete since Bolt retired.
TBH, it would be highly suspicious if he doesn't come back - on the El G retiring after Sydney just when the EPO tests came in suspicious scale.
Snell is still the GOAT, and it's still quite plausible to argue that Coe is still the greatest ever talent at 800m. Rudisha winning a third gold and it would be very hard to argue against Rudisha.
You truly know little about athletics besides gossip you have picked up regarding Cram, Coe and Ovett. You are comparing a 45.xx 400m man who also races sub-1:41 800m (David Rudisha) with a classic 1500m/5000m man (Hicham el Guerrouj). It is very common for 800m athletes to age out while in their twenties. If Rudisha is done, tip of the cap. If Rudisha is done, nothing suspicious.
It's beyond question that Rudisha is the greatest ever 800m talent.
For all Coe's achievements and fantastic career, putting aside his WR, his 800m achievements are fairly underwhelming, a European Gold and World Cup Gold. They just don't compare and crazy to think other wise. I'd even take Ovetts 800m medal haul over Coe's (Olympic Gold and 2 Euro Silvers, one of them as a junior)
Only 31? wrote:
You truly know little about athletics besides gossip you have picked up regarding Cram, Coe and Ovett. You are comparing a 45.xx 400m man who also races sub-1:41 800m (David Rudisha) with a classic 1500m/5000m man (Hicham el Guerrouj). It is very common for 800m athletes to age out while in their twenties. If Rudisha is done, tip of the cap. If Rudisha is done, nothing suspicious.
If Rudisha is done because of injury, nothing suspicious, I agree. If Rudisha is done because 'he's got nothing left to prove' (aka El G) than suspicious.
Seriously???? wrote:
It's beyond question that Rudisha is the greatest ever 800m talent.
For all Coe's achievements and fantastic career, putting aside his WR, his 800m achievements are fairly underwhelming, a European Gold and World Cup Gold. They just don't compare and crazy to think other wise. I'd even take Ovetts 800m medal haul over Coe's (Olympic Gold and 2 Euro Silvers, one of them as a junior)
I don't know about that.
'Putting aside one of the greatest track WRs in history'.
Coe ran 1:41 when no other athlete had ran under 1:43. That's crazy. He developed health problems less than year later. I know most athletes get stymied by injuries and ill health at some point, but if Coe had stayed healthy for one more year, and given his progression over the previous few years and still seemingly heading towards his peak, it's quite reasonable to suppose he would have gotten close to breaking 1:41 in 1982 and perhaps still be the WR holder. And remember, he was running the 1500 and Mile more often at this point, trying to keep up with Ovett. Rudisha doesn't even run the 1000m (and the only times he has he's running in water from the 801 meter mark).
Yes, Rudisha's 800m run in London was probably the greatest single 800m performance in history, but it's still reasonable to discuss Coe and Snell with him as the greatest talent. Snell retired when he was 25 and was still fit and healthy, simply no longer able to continue because of financial reasons in that era. Who knows what time he would have ran if he had continued on to Mexico in 68.
Rudisha was head and shoulders above the rest of the field in London. It would be like Coe in the 800m in Moscow without Ovett. Guy who comes in second was an 18 year old kid, and the bronze medalist, by your own admission a teammate told not keep up with him (Rudisha).
And the idiot who mocked me for claiming Rudisha will still only be 31 in Tokyo. Errr, yes, as far as I can make out, he is 30 years old today, he turns 31 at the end of the year, and Tokyo is next summer.
The point is he doesn't have to run any other distance as the discussion was about the best 800m runner of all time. Coe had a far greater range than Rudisha and it's likely this impacted his 800m performances. However I'm sure he only ever went under 1:43 one other time in his career (when breaking Juantorena's record). It's not diminishing what he achieved just that Rudisha by focusing solely on 800m has built up a far greater argument (2 Olympic Golds, 2 World Gold, 3 WR).
Again Snell is another brilliant runner but as you say faced different challenges which meant his career was shorter than it would have been. If discussing best ever middle distance runner, then Snell and Coe (amongst many others) would be above Rudisha given their range and success.
"It would be highly suspicious if Rudisha didn't come back at 31. Coe , who set his PR at 24, never came within a second of it afterwards, and retired before 31, as well as Snell, who set his PR at 23, only came within a second of it once more at 25, and then retired at 25.....those guys are the standard."
Coevett wrote:
Coe ran 1:41 when no other athlete had ran under 1:43. That's crazy.
Crazy? What happened to "suspicious?"
classic LRC wrote:
"It would be highly suspicious if Rudisha didn't come back at 31. Coe , who set his PR at 24, never came within a second of it afterwards, and retired before 31, as well as Snell, who set his PR at 23, only came within a second of it once more at 25, and then retired at 25.....those guys are the standard."
Actually Coe ran 1:43 when he was 32 or 33, and a shadow of his best (due not just to age but all the health and injury problems since his peak).
Most athletes retired in their mid twenties before the advent of the professional era. Are you saying Snell retiring to pursue his (highly successful) medical career was due to new testing coming in before Mexico, which is widely regarded (including by Bad Wiggins himself above) as one of, if not the, most doped Games in history?
Bad Wigins wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Coe ran 1:41 when no other athlete had ran under 1:43. That's crazy.
Crazy? What happened to "suspicious?"
Well this is about who out of Coe, Snell, and Rudisha deserves the title of most naturally gifted 800m runner.
If you're going to bring the respective likelihood of each of them doping into it, then I'm not sure Rudisha 'front running an 800m WR in an Olympic final after telling his team mates not to bother going with him' is so much less crazy than Coe's WR, especially as just last year alone 3 out of the top 21 Kenyan 800m runners failed test, not including Rotich who was the training partner of Bett, and has been known to get his manager to pee in the cup for him.
BTW, if Coe was using steroids in his early career, it is the opposite of El G/(possibly)Rudisha to continue on into 1989, when steroid testing was finally getting stricter, and at the age of 33 perform exactly as you would expect at his age and history of injury problems - very creditably. Running a 1:43 and narrowly being (blocked) beaten by Bile in the World Cup final. His decision to finally retire before he turned 34 after the Commonwealth Games is entirely natural, given that there was still another 3 year cycle until the next Olympics when he would be 36 or 37, and he already had a potentially outstanding political career ready to start.
What exactly is Rudisha retiring for? He prefers to make peanuts as a police officer than earning the annual Kenyan salary every time he steps on the track?
Coevett wrote:
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What exactly is Rudisha retiring for? He prefers to make peanuts as a police officer than earning the annual Kenyan salary every time he steps on the track?
No one but Rudisha would know his motivations for either continuing or stopping. I'm sure money isn't an issue. He's an Olympic champ and has a WR. Maybe he knows deep down that he has slowed a step and maybe he doesn't want to risk not even making a final. A guy that has run as fast as he has maybe isn't happy running 1:44 and finishing 5th.
Rudy is really looking good!!!! Could we see him in Tokyo for a historic #3?
Coevett wrote:
classic LRC wrote:
"It would be highly suspicious if Rudisha didn't come back at 31. Coe , who set his PR at 24, never came within a second of it afterwards, and retired before 31, as well as Snell, who set his PR at 23, only came within a second of it once more at 25, and then retired at 25.....those guys are the standard."
Actually Coe ran 1:43 when he was 32 or 33,
That doesn't refute anything I said.
classic LRC wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Actually Coe ran 1:43 when he was 32 or 33,
That doesn't refute anything I said.
It's hard to even understand your point here. It would be somewhat curious as to Rudisha missing Tokyo unless he has very serious injury problems. Age is not a problem and he has a chance to rubberstamp GOAT status by winning a third Gold. You claim Coe retired before 31, actually he desperately wanted to win a third Gold in Seoul at age 32, and chose to extend his career by another year to age 33 for no other reason to prove to the British selectors they had been wrong to deny him the chance.
Snell basically retired at 24 apart from a 'farewell tour' in the USA for which he was going through the motions and hence losing. He's stated that if he hadn't been forced to retire to pursue a professional career that he would certainly have carried on to Mexico and was confident he would have won gold in the 800m (though admits the 1500 at altitude against Ryun and Keino would have been tough).
You're an idiot.