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Greatest WC ever wrote:
1-2-7-10
Carnage!
Kenya hasn’t sucked this bad since they got beaten by team USA back in 2013. Uganda were amazing and deserved it. Kenyans kept losing to Ethiopia and Uganda at that steep incline. Writing on the wall since first race.
El Keniano wrote:
Kenya hasn’t sucked this bad since they got beaten by team USA back in 2013. Uganda were amazing and deserved it. Kenyans kept losing to Ethiopia and Uganda at that steep incline. Writing on the wall since first race.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/03/2013-world-cross-country-championships-us-men-stun-kenya-and-win-team-silver/
As soon as we lost the mixed relays, I knew it was going to be a hard/bad day at the office.
Uganda has really come of age. Winning not just the race but the team gold is stunning. It's a coup.
Maybe Uganda is the next powerhouse 800-Marathon including the Steeple
They are surely a threat and will always be there mixing it up with their brothers and neighbours. It makes it more worthwhile.
More about specificity of training. Uganda has been winning the World Mountain running championships so they know what it takes to be successful on those types of hills. Track and flat road guys didn't fare so will.
Joe Gray would have CRUSHED any of the other Americans running today.
Just looked up both counties on the map. So they're basically working with same breed of running genes. Only difference is the border. What took Ugandan runners take so long to arrive?
Moo Goo wrote:
Just looked up both counties on the map. So they're basically working with same breed of running genes. Only difference is the border. What took Ugandan runners take so long to arrive?
Has there been an influx of foreign coaches moving into Uganda in the last year or two? I mean coaches who feel that the environment is no longer right in Ethiopia and especially Kenya to getting the most out of those 'running genes'?
oblivious wrote:
Moo Goo wrote:
Just looked up both counties on the map. So they're basically working with same breed of running genes. Only difference is the border. What took Ugandan runners take so long to arrive?
Has there been an influx of foreign coaches moving into Uganda in the last year or two? I mean coaches who feel that the environment is no longer right in Ethiopia and especially Kenya to getting the most out of those 'running genes'?
How many Italian passports are in Uganda now vs 5 years ago?
Reading this report about the top Ugandan athletics coach who was jailed in 2015 for raping at least three young athletes, advising them to get pregnant and then abort the baby to improve their running, and allegedly practicing witchcraft, it's really hard to have faith that the anti-doping systems in Uganda are up to Western standards.
Wemali was taken into custody over the alleged rape and defilement of three female runners aged 15, 16 and 17 between 2013 and 2014.
It said the former coach had been arrested after the girls underwent medical examinations.
Last year, female junior national team runners accused him of sexually harassing them during a training camp. Wemali was said to have advised them to get pregnant and then abort so they could run better.
Wemali, who has also been accused of practising witchcraft, was cleared of any wrongdoing by the Uganda Athletics Federation.
Kipsiro withdrew from Uganda’s team for the Guiyang World Cross Country Championships in March claiming to have received death threats on his phone following his outspoken views against the coach.
With the Delhi 5000m and 10000m double champion who defended the longer distance title in Scotland last year threatening to seek new citizenship, the noose finally tightened around the previously untouchable amorous coach.
Stephen Kiprotich, Uganda’s Olympic and world marathon champion, told the Monitor last month that Wemali was a “wrong character” who had “ruined” the career of one promising young female runner, and turned another into his wife.
nontentical wrote:
Reading this report about the top Ugandan athletics coach who was jailed in 2015 for raping at least three young athletes, advising them to get pregnant and then abort the baby to improve their running, and allegedly practicing witchcraft, it's really hard to have faith that the anti-doping systems in Uganda are up to Western standards.
I have read about this practice on Wikipedia before. It is called abortion doping. The idea is that women produce more blood when pregnant. And before competition, you remove the fetus. Basically a way to blood dope. There have never been confirmed cases of it. Though it is believed some USSR athletes did it back in the day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_dopinghttp://www.tuscanycamp.com/en/uganda-camp/Italian pizza shop wrote:
oblivious wrote:
Has there been an influx of foreign coaches moving into Uganda in the last year or two? I mean coaches who feel that the environment is no longer right in Ethiopia and especially Kenya to getting the most out of those 'running genes'?
How many Italian passports are in Uganda now vs 5 years ago?
Italian connection
“Grace Chesang also has the ladies sorted, and we even have Giuseppe Giambrone, an Italian, who will coach long distance.”
Giambrone, who is facilitating himself, and Veronica Sampieri, the other Italian on the team as a physiotherapist, are part of a three-year deal Tuscany Camp signed with UAF late 2014 to provide medical assistance to Ugandan athletes, as well as train them. Further probed on why the coaches that are currently training the travelling athletes have not been a priority, Otucet saw no problem.
“Benjamin has not complained,” argued Otucet. “The thing is the naming of coaches was done much earlier and at that time, we had a long list of 42 athletes, only a few had qualified. “By the time qualification ended, it was too late and we couldn’t change the coaches. So, yes, Kiwa is what could have done this time.”
Coevett wrote:
https://www.monitor.co.ug/Sports/Athletics/Choice-of-athletics-coach-to-Rio-opens-old-wounds/690274-3317276-vja412z/index.htmlItalian connection
“Grace Chesang also has the ladies sorted, and we even have Giuseppe Giambrone, an Italian, who will coach long distance.”
Giambrone, who is facilitating himself, and Veronica Sampieri, the other Italian on the team as a physiotherapist, are part of a three-year deal Tuscany Camp signed with UAF late 2014 to provide medical assistance to Ugandan athletes, as well as train them. Further probed on why the coaches that are currently training the travelling athletes have not been a priority, Otucet saw no problem.
“Benjamin has not complained,” argued Otucet. “The thing is the naming of coaches was done much earlier and at that time, we had a long list of 42 athletes, only a few had qualified. “By the time qualification ended, it was too late and we couldn’t change the coaches. So, yes, Kiwa is what could have done this time.”
I’m really surprised to see you jump at an opportunity to cast shade on an African country.
What is the key to Uganda's developing success? Are their athletes typically training in Kenya? Are they even Kenyans running for Uganda, like the marathon Olympic champion a number of years back (Stephen Kiprotich?)?
GBohannon wrote:
Coevett wrote:
https://www.monitor.co.ug/Sports/Athletics/Choice-of-athletics-coach-to-Rio-opens-old-wounds/690274-3317276-vja412z/index.htmlI’m really surprised to see you jump at an opportunity to cast shade on an African country.
Reminds me of this, 38 witnesses and nobody did anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_GenoveseJurrie van der Velden of the Netherlands is Joshua Cheptegei's agent.
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/uganda/joshua-cheptegei-292450
It was about time! What you guys don't understand is how East Africa is blessed with talent! With a good budget to put athletes together even a small country like Burundi can beat USA anytime! As a matter of fact they did today!
Countries like Erithrea, Djibouti, Somalia, Somali Land, Sudan, South Sudan, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi,Congo (RDC) have so much talent that the day their federations will be organised and with good budgets to give their athletes opportunities to train and represent their respective countries, it will change the way you look at long distance running.
The only problem right now is that it's not profitable for a country to prepare athletes, send them abroad for a sake of medal! People have other issues to deal with.
I know a gal who won an olympic medal but had to pay herself the ticket to Rio as her country couldn't ''afford'' it. That is unthinkable for a western country.
How would you feel if you were a 27min runner and your federation paid you 50$/month salary so you can keep training!
So back to ugandans, the federation did its job at preparing their athletes but you should think of NN running team too. While the credit goes to the athletes who represented well their country, the Netherlands are very much also behind the success of ugandans. When an athlete has a good agency behind him, opportunities will come ( good and the bad).
That being said, I was not surprised by the results at all! It was anybody's race today!
The Kenyans live in the Rift Valley, and the Ugandans live in the Rift Mountains. That's why they're better at running uphill, and not as good at running on flat ground.