Is Loudoun Valley the greatest HS XC/distance team of all time??

I agree that they are the best ever. Affolder may become the best high school runner ever.

Lowdown wrote:

I agree that they are the best ever.

No doubt

Lowdown wrote:

Affolder may become the best high school runner ever.

No chance

kieflerson wrote:

Lowdown wrote:

I agree that they are the best ever.

No doubt

Lowdown wrote:

Affolder may become the best high school runner ever.

No chance

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Headed toward 1:49-3:59-8:40.

No. 2 years of success and one super-elite runner doesn't make them the best all time.

Not to mention, how much of the country really runs during indoors vs. outdoors?

The Truth Hurtz wrote:

No. 2 years of success and one super-elite runner doesn't make them the best all time.

Were they supposed to win NXN when they were all freshman or something? A HS team's window to be great is usually only 2-3 years and then kids graduate.

The Truth Hurtz wrote:

Not to mention, how much of the country really runs during indoors vs. outdoors?

Besides California, do any states not run indoor? I really don't know. But it seems like most states do.

Well if you limit the scope to just 3-4 years I think Loudon definitely has an argument here. Although, you noted Lincroft (CBA, NJ) which had a span a few years ago where they were top 5 at NXN four years in a row (not easy to do on the boys side) to go along with some Penn Relays titles, national titles in the DMR and 4xMile and I'm pretty sure one year where they had 5 or 6 guys under 9:15 for 3200. I'm sure that a team like York also had a span like this as well, but definitely impressive results the last 4 years from Loudon Valley. It will be interesting to see if the program can keep up the same level losing Affolder and the younger Hunter.

Not even close. FM is by far the greatest team ever.

/thread

Niles wrote:

Not even close. FM is by far the greatest team ever.

/thread

thats a girls team

Best team is easily LV. There have been a lot of great teams but LV has been utterly dominant.

They are the best ever because they have Affolder and the Hunters. The coaches are the best and Affolder is the best.

Milles wrote:

Niles wrote:

Not even close. FM is by far the greatest team ever.

/thread

thats a girls team

Best team is easily LV. There have been a lot of great teams but LV has been utterly dominant.

Where was it said that this was boys teams? I think you just assumed. The thread is about the 'greatest HS XC/distance team of all time' per the title. If you think LV is better than what Bill Aris or the Kranicks have put together you are delusional.

York was good for a LONG time. FM has always been very good and has won NXN titles for both sexes. Saratoga has also been better for a far greater time.

When there is a dominant team in the present people tend to focus on the moment and forget about all the past successes. We see this now with Touhy (her XC is unparalleled) on the track. Saying 'greatest prep female runner' without any hesitation is ridiculous when you remember how good Cain, Efraimson, Decker Slaney, or others were. It isn't a huge breakaway if you critically think about it.

Roast me

Niles wrote:

Not even close. FM is by far the greatest team ever.

/thread

yeah how is this even a thread? Have people already forgotten about FM just because they didn't win this year? lol

The best team is a one year thing, not across multiple years. LV set the 4xmile record a few weeks ago so yes, the current team is better than teams of the past. They are significantly better than any girls team.

Niles wrote:

Milles wrote:

thats a girls team

Best team is easily LV. There have been a lot of great teams but LV has been utterly dominant.

Where was it said that this was boys teams? I think you just assumed. If you think LV is better than what Bill Aris or the Kranicks have put together you are delusional.

Relax chatski, this thread was about the boys teams. Are you this literal when you converse with people in your every day life?

Niles wrote:

Milles wrote:

thats a girls team

Best team is easily LV. There have been a lot of great teams but LV has been utterly dominant.

Where was it said that this was boys teams? I think you just assumed. The thread is about the 'greatest HS XC/distance team of all time' per the title. If you think LV is better than what Bill Aris or the Kranicks have put together you are delusional.

Roast me

hahahahahah a thread made about boys team and this guy instantly tries to compare the girls teams. When people talk about Lebron do you constantly try to compare him to Candace parker? How about Bekele? Do you always compare bekele to dibaba? It shouldn't have to be capitalized in bold print to acknowledge that the OP was talking about boys teams.

Transgenders will kill girls' sports within 3 years. It will be clear then who is the best when there are no genders in athletics.

Milles wrote:

Niles wrote:

Not even close. FM is by far the greatest team ever.

/thread

thats a girls team

Best team is easily LV. There have been a lot of great teams but LV has been utterly dominant.

First of all, LV is Lukas Verzbicas. Everyone should know this. Is he, all by himself, the best team ever? Maybe. He did win nationals by himself that one year, but I think other more complete teams probably deserve consideration. That Loud team from Virginia is good; I'll certainly concede that. Not sure how they'd stack up against LV though.

"man those jungle boys know how to start a party on race day.....let's take a look at why no other program comes close in the history of high school XC/track

1. Lowest Amount of Points at NXN:

1. Loudoun Valley 2018 (77 points)

2. Loudoun Valley 2017 (89 points)

3. Lincroft 2011 (91 points)

2. Drew Hunter

- sub 4 outdoor

- sub 4 indoor (national record)

- FL champion

- 8:42 2-mile (9th fastest HSer of all time)

- FL South course record

- indoor nattys 2 mile champ

- gatorade XC runner of year

- 3k national record

3. 2018-19 Season won an epic triple 4x800, 4x1600, DMR at indoor nattys (national record in 4x1600 and DMR)

4. 2017-18 season win 4x800, 4x1600 and take 3rd in DMR at indoor nattys (national record in 4x1600)

5. Won VA XC state meet with a perfect score in 2017

6. returned in 2018 at VA XC state to place 1,2,3,5,7,9,10 with their top 7

7. colton bogucki's afro

8. 2017 outdoor nattys got 2nd in the 4x1600 (pre-affolder era); took 4th in 2018 outdoor nattys but didn't have affolder"

Sorry I clearly missed where it was said we were talking about only boys teams. My apologies.

When you say 'team' and list multiple years of accomplishments I immediately jump to 'program' since we are talking about more than one season.

I agree with an above poster, the greatest team refers to one individual season's accomplishments.

Let's wait until we see how the LV team does in college. If they can be this good without burn-out then definitely GOAT team.