What level of greatness are we witnessing with this guy?
What level of greatness are we witnessing with this guy?
Multiple Olympic Golds,
110 and 400 hurdle world records
Amongst other possibilities
I could see the 110, but I just can't see him beating Rai Benjamin in the 400h in the coming years...I think he will find his place in the short sprints and high hurdles, and earn medals for Team USA at Olympics and World Championships.
Flo’da boy wrote:
Multiple Olympic Golds,
110 and 400 hurdle world records
Amongst other possibilities
Not this year though.
In the 110
Shubenkov is clear and away the best in the world...(half a second better than Holloway on avg in 2018)
In the 400
3 guys easily ahead of him..with 2-3 more most likely better
he was pretty good indoors though for an NCAAer
not in 2019 wrote:
Flo’da boy wrote:
Multiple Olympic Golds,
110 and 400 hurdle world records
Amongst other possibilities
Not this year though.
In the 110
Shubenkov is clear and away the best in the world...(half a second better than Holloway on avg in 2018)
In the 400
3 guys easily ahead of him..with 2-3 more most likely better
he was pretty good indoors though for an NCAAer
Probably not this year for the 110 (but possible) and definitely not for the 400h. But given time (and if he even attempts the latter) I can see both
Agreed, he never took the 300mh seriously in HS and has not run a single 400mh in college. With his start and pure speed he doesn't need to. As for getting a world medal this year, its definitely a possibility but the NCAA schedule could mess him up at the same time. While he has shown remarkable composure at the collegiate level, he has shown that he can struggle at higher levels. As a fellow Virginian, I would like to see him succeed though.
not in 2019 wrote:
Flo’da boy wrote:
Multiple Olympic Golds,
110 and 400 hurdle world records
Amongst other possibilities
Not this year though.
In the 110
Shubenkov is clear and away the best in the world...(half a second better than Holloway on avg in 2018)
In the 400
3 guys easily ahead of him..with 2-3 more most likely better
he was pretty good indoors though for an NCAAer
Holloway is clearly the best hurdler in the world after that 7.35. There is literally no reason Shubenkov should be any better than him this year, given Holloway ran 13.1 twice last year and has improved his foot speed and hurdle technique since then.
not in 2019 wrote:
Flo’da boy wrote:
Multiple Olympic Golds,
110 and 400 hurdle world records
Amongst other possibilities
Not this year though.
In the 110
Shubenkov is clear and away the best in the world...(half a second better than Holloway on avg in 2018)
In the 400
3 guys easily ahead of him..with 2-3 more most likely better
he was pretty good indoors though for an NCAAer
You're underestimating the velocity in which greatness arises.
If you are an experienced track fan, you've seen this movie before. Holloway will arrive sooner than later. Probably this year.
JumpsDoctor wrote:
not in 2019 wrote:
Not this year though.
In the 110
Shubenkov is clear and away the best in the world...(half a second better than Holloway on avg in 2018)
In the 400
3 guys easily ahead of him..with 2-3 more most likely better
he was pretty good indoors though for an NCAAer
Holloway is clearly the best hurdler in the world after that 7.35. There is literally no reason Shubenkov should be any better than him this year, given Holloway ran 13.1 twice last year and has improved his foot speed and hurdle technique since then.
Lol what? So you're saying he is clearly better than Shubenkov, who was close to breaking the WR last year? So Holloway breaking the WR this year should be a given?
We’ll have to see how Shubenkov looks this year, and based on experience he may be the tentative favorite, but I have to say when hurdlers get hot great things can happen (like Shubenkovs 12.92, though I don’t know if I’d call that close to breaking the world record).
Injuries apart, I’d be surprised if Holloway doesn’t run under 13 this season, probably at NCAAs
Flo’da boy wrote:
We’ll have to see how Shubenkov looks this year, and based on experience he may be the tentative favorite, but I have to say when hurdlers get hot great things can happen (like Shubenkovs 12.92, though I don’t know if I’d call that close to breaking the world record).
Injuries apart, I’d be surprised if Holloway doesn’t run under 13 this season, probably at NCAAs
Shubenkov had a great year in 2012, 2015, and 2018. 2017 was ok for him, a few quick races.
But injuries and the Russian ban threw some other years off. With 3 great years in the past 7, I would also be tentative about calling him a lock for a championship. If he repeats last year, it's going to take something special to beat him, but he could just as easily have a year of struggling.
Plus, there is still McLeod and Ortega right there, not a lot of room. Halloway would need some solid PRs this year outdoor to take a gold.
Flo’da boy wrote:
We’ll have to see how Shubenkov looks this year, and based on experience he may be the tentative favorite, but I have to say when hurdlers get hot great things can happen (like Shubenkovs 12.92, though I don’t know if I’d call that close to breaking the world record).
Injuries apart, I’d be surprised if Holloway doesn’t run under 13 this season, probably at NCAAs
Yes. His 7.35/6.50 and 44sec ability is demonstrating that he is going to run very fast this outdoor season.
Shub is a great hurdler... Holloway is a great hurdler. Much success to all.
There's probably more money for him in the sprints/hurdles, but I think he's got WR upside in the Dec. Probably won't happen.
Out of the 100/110h/400m/HJ/LJ, he's looking at 5000+ points.
Sum of PRs:
100m: ~10.00 1096
110h: 13.15 1087
400m: 44.3 (+0.5 from 4x4 split) 1096
HJ: 7'1" 953
LJ: 26'9.75" 1104
= 5336
Insane.
the truth teller feller wrote:
There's probably more money for him in the sprints/hurdles, but I think he's got WR upside in the Dec. Probably won't happen.
Out of the 100/110h/400m/HJ/LJ, he's looking at 5000+ points.
Sum of PRs:
100m: ~10.00 1096
110h: 13.15 1087
400m: 44.3 (+0.5 from 4x4 split) 1096
HJ: 7'1" 953
LJ: 26'9.75" 1104
= 5336
Insane.
To compete at WR-level in the Decathlon requires a massive commitment to the event of Decathlon. We'll see his ultimate potential in individual events, and we're all better off for that.
His AR over the 60m hurdles at the NCAA broke the record held by three guys, Allen Johnson, Greg Foster, and Terrance Trammel. Those three combined for 8 OG/WC gold and 6 OG/WC silver medals in the 110mH -- I would not be surprised if Holloway's medal collection at the end his career fits right into that pattern.
Somewhere between Carl Lewis and Usain Bolt
Is he clean? I’m seriously wondering. Nonetheless, amazing performance.
Wow. Interesting train of thought wrote:
JumpsDoctor wrote:
Holloway is clearly the best hurdler in the world after that 7.35. There is literally no reason Shubenkov should be any better than him this year, given Holloway ran 13.1 twice last year and has improved his foot speed and hurdle technique since then.
Lol what? So you're saying he is clearly better than Shubenkov, who was close to breaking the WR last year? So Holloway breaking the WR this year should be a given?
Shubenkov had a great season last year setting a 12.92 PR, but so have many other athletes who haven't managed to touch the world record in the past few years: Omar McLeod ran 12.90 in 2017, Ortega 12.94 in 2015, etc. And besides, there is a LOT separating 12.92 from 12.80. At that level, 0.12 is pretty significant.
You're seriously underestimating how good 7.35 is. Only two men have run faster, and both men were world record holders in the 110s. Holloway is in sub-13 shape NOW, in March- likely even sub-12.95.
Last year, Shubenkov was a seasoned pro racing the international circuit with a much higher quality and depth in competition. Holloway was a college sophomore racing a bunch of 13.9 guys in NCAA meets, often running blazing times in bad, windy conditions.
As the new kid on the block, Holloway has the most to prove, and nothing is guaranteed in this sport. But make no mistake, there is no athlete in history with more raw talent in the 110 Hurdles than Grant Holloway. He's a clutch performer with with a good head on his shoulders. Don't be surprised when big things happen.
gahagand wrote:
I could see the 110, but I just can't see him beating Rai Benjamin in the 400h in the coming years...I think he will find his place in the short sprints and high hurdles, and earn medals for Team USA at Olympics and World Championships.
People love to speculate that Grant will be a star 400 hurdler in the future, but fail to realize that as talented as Grant is, there are NO athletes in recent history that have been world-class at both at the same time. They are wildly different events that require very different things from an athlete. If someone can point out an athlete that has run both sub 48.5 and sub-13.5 I'd be very surprised.
If he hasn't picked up even a single race already as a collegian, he's not just gonna hop into the event and be world-class, even if he does have insane foot speed over 400m. Especially now that the field is as deep as it is.
hurdlesjack wrote:
gahagand wrote:
I could see the 110, but I just can't see him beating Rai Benjamin in the 400h in the coming years...I think he will find his place in the short sprints and high hurdles, and earn medals for Team USA at Olympics and World Championships.
People love to speculate that Grant will be a star 400 hurdler in the future, but fail to realize that as talented as Grant is, there are NO athletes in recent history that have been world-class at both at the same time. They are wildly different events that require very different things from an athlete. If someone can point out an athlete that has run both sub 48.5 and sub-13.5 I'd be very surprised.
If he hasn't picked up even a single race already as a collegian, he's not just gonna hop into the event and be world-class, even if he does have insane foot speed over 400m. Especially now that the field is as deep as it is.
David Hemery:
400 m – 46.6y (1968)
110 mH – 13.4 (1970)
400 mH – 48.12 (1968)