Is Robert Brandt the greatest 8th place runner of all time?

gobobbygo wrote:

So far in his career, Robert Brandt of UCLA has gotten 8th in the NCAA '18 10K and 8th in both the NCAA indoor 3K and 5K. Has anyone else been as good at squeezing out All-American finishes?

Define loser.

Somebody who is jealous of All Americans.

trivia

Centro Jr holds the record for fastest tenth place in both the 1500 and the mile

Predictor wrote:

Somebody who is jealous of All Americans.

Somebody who doesn't live in the US and doesn't care. Like the rest of the planet.

Interesting. I answered his question of how to define “loser”. Your definition is, everyone who doesn’t live in the US?

Predictor wrote:

Interesting. I answered his question of how to define “loser”. Your definition is, everyone who doesn’t live in the US?

I see that you are a dull-witted literalist, unable to grasp that the response was a correction of your own error. But you are likely used to coming somewhat back in the pack - 8th at best - in any kind of race or contest. My sympathies.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Predictor wrote:

Interesting. I answered his question of how to define “loser”. Your definition is, everyone who doesn’t live in the US?

I see that you are a dull-witted literalist, unable to grasp that the response was a correction of your own error. But you are likely used to coming somewhat back in the pack - 8th at best - in any kind of race or contest. My sympathies.

So are you saying that coming 8th in the Olympics is worse than winning a parkrun?

trollism wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I see that you are a dull-witted literalist, unable to grasp that the response was a correction of your own error. But you are likely used to coming somewhat back in the pack - 8th at best - in any kind of race or contest. My sympathies.

So are you saying that coming 8th in the Olympics is worse than winning a parkrun?

Where did I say that? I didn't, but non-sequiturs and erroneous assumptions are apparently your thing. The NCAA are not the Olympics, but, regardless, 8th in any competition is an also-ran. Not on the dais and certainly not a winner. But if coming 8th makes you feel like a winner then go for it. With thinking like that you know you can never really fail. Good luck with your park run.

Armstronglivs wrote:

trollism wrote:

So are you saying that coming 8th in the Olympics is worse than winning a parkrun?

Where did I say that? I didn't, but non-sequiturs and erroneous assumptions are apparently your thing. The NCAA are not the Olympics, but, regardless, 8th in any competition is an also-ran. Not on the dais and certainly not a winner. But if coming 8th makes you feel like a winner then go for it. With thinking like that you know you can never really fail. Good luck with your park run.

Settle down you nutcase. The guy made a thread about a guy that seems to come 8th a lot, you had a fanny fit.

I read it here said: trivia: Centro Jr holds the record for fastest tenth place in both the 1500 and the mile

fastest 10th place in the mile is 3:51.12 by Bethwell Birgen (KEN) in the Bowerman Mile at Eugene, OR on 31 May 2014. Matt Centrowitz has the fastest 8th place in the mile with 3:50.53, in the same race as Birgen, above.

you are right that Centro' has the fastest 10th place in the 1500m, though, 3:30.40 in Monaco on 17 Jul 2015.

cheers.

Armstronglivs wrote:

gobobbygo wrote:

So far in his career, Robert Brandt of UCLA has gotten 8th in the NCAA '18 10K and 8th in both the NCAA indoor 3K and 5K. Has anyone else been as good at squeezing out All-American finishes?

Define loser.

Armstronglivs look in the mirror and there is your answer fool.

On a different note... Making it to any NCAA championships in any event = WINNER.

Doing that and placing as high as eight multiple time = WINNER.

Thinking you are intellectually cute by insulting someone you haven’t met. Taking out your own frustrations about your own lack of achievement by posting negativity = LOSER.

Look in the mirror and you will have the answer to your question wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Define loser.

Armstronglivs look in the mirror and there is your answer fool.

On a different note... Making it to any NCAA championships in any event = WINNER.

Doing that and placing as high as eight multiple time = WINNER.

Thinking you are intellectually cute by insulting someone you haven’t met. Taking out your own frustrations about your own lack of achievement by posting negativity = LOSER.

And he who is last shall be first. You take the Bublical text a bit too literally. For Letsrun it probably should read - everyone's a winner, baby!

trollism wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Where did I say that? I didn't, but non-sequiturs and erroneous assumptions are apparently your thing. The NCAA are not the Olympics, but, regardless, 8th in any competition is an also-ran. Not on the dais and certainly not a winner. But if coming 8th makes you feel like a winner then go for it. With thinking like that you know you can never really fail. Good luck with your park run.

Settle down you nutcase. The guy made a thread about a guy that seems to come 8th a lot, you had a fanny fit.

I thought the thread said, "the greatest 8th place runner of all time". Is that a big deal, requiring some sort of celebration? Probably only to the guy who came 8th - which can be close to last in a lot of finals. But it's got his fans here agitated.

The real question is who follows an NCAA 8th place runner that closely unless your a family members or teammate?

It would be like if I started a thread about guys who never make nationals and say isn’t this person the best person to never make nationals because he always misses it by a couple spots.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

The real question is who follows an NCAA 8th place runner that closely unless your a family members or teammate?

It would be like if I started a thread about guys who never make nationals and say isn’t this person the best person to never make nationals because he always misses it by a couple spots.

Nailed it.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Predictor wrote:

Somebody who is jealous of All Americans.

Somebody who doesn't live in the US and doesn't care. Like the rest of the planet.

What country do you live in?

loser countries wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Somebody who doesn't live in the US and doesn't care. Like the rest of the planet.

What country do you live in?

Why is that relevant? (other than that not everything that happens in the US matters to the rest of the world - and the claim made by the OP presupposes that it does. i.e. a largely anonymous US runner is the "greatest ... runner of all time".) I come from a country that has had more than its share of Olympic champions and world record holders.

sbeefyk2 said: It would be like if I started a thread about guys who never make nationals and say isn’t this person the best person to never make nationals ...

by an amazing coincidence I have been looking at guys who make national finals, but just can't seem to win one.

turns out that Garrett Heath has been in 17 US national championship finals since June 2007 when he was 9th in the 1500m at Indianapolis up to a similar 9th place in the indoor 2 miles last month and his best finish so far has been a trio of 3rd places indoors (1 mile 2011 4:04.91i, 1500m 2014 3:43.97i, 1 mile 2017 4:00.31i). he also has five 4th places but that highly coveted 1-spot remains out of reach.

obviously, a man is not defined by his track career alone, Heath did win the Great Edinburgh X-Country race three years in succession, including beating both Mo Farah and Callum Hawkins on their own territory, Farah's first loss over the country in six years, and there are not too many folk who can hang that on their wall. he again pulled on the US uniform to run in the World Indoors in Doha 2010, and in 2013 he won the US 1 mile Road championship. he also owns an impressive set of pr's, 3:34.12 (3:41.03i) 1500m; 3:53.14 (3:54.59i) 1 mile, 7:37.97 (7:37.40i) 3000m, 8:29.43 (8:27.99i) 2 miles, 13:16.31 5000m, 27:56.11 10,000m, two of which were set last year so he is obviously not done yet.

USA Indoor 1500m Championship Albuquerque, NM 26 Feb 2012

pos / name / mark

1. Leonel Manzano (USA) 3:48.05i A

2. Matthew Centrowitz (USA) 3:48.16i A

3. Galen Rupp (USA) 3:48.44i A

4. Garrett Heath (USA) 3:49.59i A

5. Brian Gagnon (USA) 3:52.81i A

6. Carlos Jamieson (USA) 3:54.25i A

7. Jeff See (USA) 3:54.54i A

8. John Sullivan (USA) 3:55.00i A

9. Owen Dawson (USA) 3:55.25i A

10. Russell Brown (USA) 3:56.62i A

let's all root for Garrett Heath at this year's US Championships.

cheers.

I can agree with his definition of loser. I think he is including himself since he is foreign and doesn’t care.