Age grading

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Hoping to get faster wrote:

Checked out whag age grading meant , I think my 1600 meter time can go down to 4:45-4:50 ish as a freshman and my age grading would be about an 84 which would mean I am in the national class, upon looking at previous years rankings in the state for freshman I would be around #25 in the state for freshman , which wouldn’t really put me in a national competition level, ik age grading isn’t perfect but I mean I’m not even close to “national level” as they are kids my age running sub 4:30’s can someone help me undertsrand ?

Don't put spaces in front of commas and question marks. Also, put periods on the end of your sentences.

Hoping to get faster wrote:

Checked out whag age grading meant , I think my 1600 meter time can go down to 4:45-4:50 ish as a freshman and my age grading would be about an 84 which would mean I am in the national class, upon looking at previous years rankings in the state for freshman I would be around #25 in the state for freshman , which wouldn’t really put me in a national competition level, ik age grading isn’t perfect but I mean I’m not even close to “national level” as they are kids my age running sub 4:30’s can someone help me undertsrand ?

Age grading only matters when you are old and slightly delusional.

Hoping to get faster wrote:

Checked out whag age grading meant , I think my 1600 meter time can go down to 4:45-4:50 ish as a freshman and my age grading would be about an 84 which would mean I am in the national class, upon looking at previous years rankings in the state for freshman I would be around #25 in the state for freshman , which wouldn’t really put me in a national competition level, ik age grading isn’t perfect but I mean I’m not even close to “national level” as they are kids my age running sub 4:30’s can someone help me undertsrand ?

You are right. You are not close to National level.

You are right. You are not close to National level.[/quote]

So then where do I fall? Regional ?

Hoping to get faster wrote:

So then where do I fall? Regional ?

Stop putting extra spaces before punctuation marks.

Hoping to get faster wrote:

You are right. You are not close to National level.

So then where do I fall? Regional ?[/quote]

Ou are the 25th best freshman? So, that puts youmaybe in th top 300 HS runners in your state. You wouldn't even qualify out of your district to your regional meet, bro.

Just because some loser says 80-90% is 'national class' doesn't mean it is. In my experience you need to be avove 90% to regional (state level) class. National class is more like 95%. Anything above 80% is respectable, but nothing to write home about.

Keep in mind he hasn't even got his time down to that range yet. He's probably over 5 minutes right now. Or worse.

Kid if you're thinking about age grading you already lost.

Age grading is interesting for a recreational runner, especially once you get into the masters categories, but in reality it is very arbitrary. The problem is there is no consistency across the age ranges. 80% is often quoted as National Class and it probably is - for people over 50 years old. For people younger than that 80% will drop to Regional Class and maybe, as you get down to the younger levels, it is Local Class.

Personally, I would recommend you don't look at age grading until you are well past your peak and are noticeably aging.

getting down is not there already wrote:

Keep in mind he hasn't even got his time down to that range yet. He's probably over 5 minutes right now. Or worse.

I’m running 40 miles a week and during cross country I ran an 18 minute 5k without a base and currently I feel way better then cross country season so I’m pretty confident I can run sub 4:50

Raddison wrote:

Age grading is interesting for a recreational runner, especially once you get into the masters categories, but in reality it is very arbitrary. The problem is there is no consistency across the age ranges. 80% is often quoted as National Class and it probably is - for people over 50 years old. For people younger than that 80% will drop to Regional Class and maybe, as you get down to the younger levels, it is Local Class.

Personally, I would recommend you don't look at age grading until you are well past your peak and are noticeably aging.

Okay thank you

At the D-1 NCAA level, national class is about 92%, or 4:00 for the mile. At age 15, 92% is 4:21

Hoping to get faster wrote:

getting down is not there already wrote:

Keep in mind he hasn't even got his time down to that range yet. He's probably over 5 minutes right now. Or worse.

I’m running 40 miles a week and during cross country I ran an 18 minute 5k without a base and currently I feel way better then cross country season so I’m pretty confident I can run sub 4:50

Well even if you do it's certainly not as good as you want it to be.

YMMV wrote:

At the D-1 NCAA level, national class is about 92%, or 4:00 for the mile. At age 15, 92% is 4:21

Ok

maybe, maybe not wrote:

Hoping to get faster wrote:

I’m running 40 miles a week and during cross country I ran an 18 minute 5k without a base and currently I feel way better then cross country season so I’m pretty confident I can run sub 4:50

Well even if you do it's certainly not as good as you want it to be.

Well I think it’s a decent start, I’m more excited to see how much I can bring down my 5k time sophomore year

Hoping to get faster wrote:

Checked out what age grading meant, I think my 1600 meter time can go down to 4:45-4:50 ish as a freshman and my age grading would be about an 84 which would mean I am in the national class, upon looking at previous years rankings in the state for freshman I would be around #25 in the state for freshman, which wouldn’t really put me in a national competition level, ik age grading isn’t perfect but I mean I’m not even close to “national level” as they are kids my age running sub 4:30’s can someone help me understand?

A mile time of 4:45 at age 14 is very good, and you're likely to see big improvements every year. Top 25, statewide, amongst freshman would also be a worthy achievement. Congrats!

Age-grading, for young runners and beyond-their-prime runners is based on a percentage of the single-age world record for each event. Not surprisingly, with so many kids competing, there are quite a few 14-year-olds who can race at 85% of the age-14 world record.

At the other extreme, an 80-year-old racing at 85% might be top-10 nationally or better (I'm guessing -- haven't checked the stats), because there are so few competitors.

I'll be 60 this year, and was eyeing a 3-hour marathon as a goal. That would age grade at 85%. And last year I counted fewer than 10 American marathoners, 60 or older, who broke 3 hours. So, by virtue of fewer numbers, that would, indeed, be "national class."

BTW, you're way ahead of where I was at 14. My BEST mile in high school was 4:45, as a senior, but, still, I've enjoyed decades of running and racing, including Division III in college, where I was actually recruited to run. Enjoy continued success!

trust this master wrote:

Age grading only matters when you are old and slightly delusional.

That sounds about right :-)

Okay thx !