Are genetics/talent overrated?

aoxomoxoa wrote:

preacher practice wrote:

Tell us about the field you are at the pinnacle of.

Not ending my sentences with prepositions in.

Ah, so you are just in the practice phase of trolling.

You must rule the mind or the mind will rule you.

aoxomoxoa wrote:

geneticisit wrote:

If you want to be elite at sport, genetics is pretty much all that matters. You will not be at the top without the genetics, no matter how hard you work.

Glad no one told this to Tom Brady. Definitely not a genetic miracle. Was back up QB for his 0-8 JV football team in HS. Was a 6th round compulsatory pick in the NFL draft. Yet, because of his hard work, he's now the greatest football player to ever exist.

So: no. Genetics if not "pretty much all that matters."

I hear these bromides all the time, and they're complete BS. The idea that so-and-so is world-class because he "outworks" his opponents, or "wants it more," or "has more "heart," or "wills his to victory" does a disservice to all the other athletes who work just as hard. (And at the top levels in any sport, nearly everyone is training just as hard). It's very easy to "exert your will" on an opponent, or falsely believe that you "outworked them," when in fact you're just vastly physically superior to them out of the gate. This is like the inverse of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Stop this bullshit about Henrik Ingebrigtsen.

His "suspect" blood levels was because he uses alltitude training

several months a year - and his body reacts very good to these training camps.

Any professional doctor with knowledge about blood levels can tell you

his results is absolutely possible without doping.

And like other norwegian top athletes, he is tested all year round, and

WITH NO TESTS EVER GIVING ANY TRACE OF DOPING.

So until you have anything other than this dubious leaked list,

STFU

Matter Over Mind wrote:

I hear these bromides all the time, and they're complete BS. The idea that so-and-so is world-class because he "outworks" his opponents, or "wants it more," or "has more "heart," or "wills his to victory" does a disservice to all the other athletes who work just as hard. (And at the top levels in any sport, nearly everyone is training just as hard). It's very easy to "exert your will" on an opponent, or falsely believe that you "outworked them," when in fact you're just vastly physically superior to them out of the gate. This is like the inverse of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

No. Not "nearly everyone is training just as hard."

Tell me Russell, who is way more athletically "gifted" works as hard as Brady in the film room:

And people become "vastly physically superior" by working hard, not by relying on some "gift." Do you honestly think that the difference between Lebron James and some sixth man on a basement dwelling team is because Lebron was "gifted" with something? Sure, he has great genetics. But genetics without hard work is useless, pointless, and doesn't amount to anything.

Matter Over Mind wrote:

I hear these bromides all the time, and they're complete BS. The idea that so-and-so is world-class because he "outworks" his opponents, or "wants it more," or "has more "heart," or "wills his to victory" does a disservice to all the other athletes who work just as hard.

And I hope to god or buddha or whatever magically person you believe in that you aren't a parent.

"Yes, son, you tried hard at math, but you just aren't genetically gifted enough to get into calculus."

"Yes, daughter, you worked hard, but you're brain just doesn't have what it takes to be a doctor."

"Sorry kids, I tried as hard as I could, but I'm just not 'gifted' enough to be a good father to you or a good husband to your mother."

Great life advice, buddy.

aoxomoxoa wrote:

Matter Over Mind wrote:

I hear these bromides all the time, and they're complete BS. The idea that so-and-so is world-class because he "outworks" his opponents, or "wants it more," or "has more "heart," or "wills his to victory" does a disservice to all the other athletes who work just as hard.

And I hope to god or buddha or whatever magically person you believe in that you aren't a parent.

"Yes, son, you tried hard at math, but you just aren't genetically gifted enough to get into calculus."

"Yes, daughter, you worked hard, but you're brain just doesn't have what it takes to be a doctor."

"Sorry kids, I tried as hard as I could, but I'm just not 'gifted' enough to be a good father to you or a good husband to your mother."

Great life advice, buddy.

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aoxomoxoa wrote:

Matter Over Mind wrote:

I hear these bromides all the time, and they're complete BS. The idea that so-and-so is world-class because he "outworks" his opponents, or "wants it more," or "has more "heart," or "wills his to victory" does a disservice to all the other athletes who work just as hard.

And I hope to god or buddha or whatever magically person you believe in that you aren't a parent.

"Yes, son, you tried hard at math, but you just aren't genetically gifted enough to get into calculus."

"Yes, daughter, you worked hard, but you're brain just doesn't have what it takes to be a doctor."

"Sorry kids, I tried as hard as I could, but I'm just not 'gifted' enough to be a good father to you or a good husband to your mother."

Great life advice, buddy.

It is. Honesty first I always say.

aoxomoxoa wrote:

Matter Over Mind wrote:

I hear these bromides all the time, and they're complete BS. The idea that so-and-so is world-class because he "outworks" his opponents, or "wants it more," or "has more "heart," or "wills his to victory" does a disservice to all the other athletes who work just as hard.

And I hope to god or buddha or whatever magically person you believe in that you aren't a parent.

"Yes, son, you tried hard at math, but you just aren't genetically gifted enough to get into calculus."

"Yes, daughter, you worked hard, but you're brain just doesn't have what it takes to be a doctor."

"Sorry kids, I tried as hard as I could, but I'm just not 'gifted' enough to be a good father to you or a good husband to your mother."

Great life advice, buddy.

My son really wanted to be shampoo spokesman for Revlon and I told him he didn't have the genetic talent to do so. Was I wrong?