MurderDub wrote:
The notion propagated by the medical community and the media that 30-40% of the people in these African countries were HIV+ was a bald-faced myth.
I'm skeptical of your statement. I've not seen any reports indicating those statistics regarding a country's HIV rate (and I would know, given I work in the field.)
I HAVE, however, seen reports indicating certain communities within a country have high rates of HIV around 30-40%. Not entire countries.
wtfbbq wrote:
MurderDub wrote:
The notion propagated by the medical community and the media that 30-40% of the people in these African countries were HIV+ was a bald-faced myth.
I'm skeptical of your statement. I've not seen any reports indicating those statistics regarding a country's HIV rate (and I would know, given I work in the field.)
I HAVE, however, seen reports indicating certain communities within a country have high rates of HIV around 30-40%. Not entire countries.
Check out UNICEF's stats, let alone their bogus-ass projections, from 10-15 years ago and get back to me.
We need to hand out birth control to all the African googles instead of food aid.
The numbers are being kept over what Africa allows by stupid westerners sending food and medicine thereby upsetting the balance.
More population in Ethiopia and Kenya ESPECIALLY would be great, as it would likely lead to more depth in Distance Running and we would get more fast times.
AND THE ETHIOPIAN GIRLS ESPECIALLY ARE CUTE.
WIN WIN for fans of distance running and cute girls.
It could be a place of peace, prosperity, health and happiness, if we want it that way. First, put an end to corruption. Then open the countries up to entrepreneurs everywhere. Encourage trade. then money will flow in, health will get better and other than the mostly hot and humid climate it will be a great place to be.
By 2100, we will see greater sharing of various African cultures. We will have more top flight training facilities in Africa. We will see Liberian, Nigerian & Senegalese 400/800 runners. We will see a comeback of Kenyan 400m runners with some elite Kenyan 200m sprinters along with Kenyan 110mH athletes. We will also see Ethiopian 400/800 athletes. Kenyan born men and women will continue to be undefeated in both W.C. and Olympic 3000mSC races.
Allen53 wrote:
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If you don't find your statement to be racist you don't understand racism. Racism is to be differentiated from racial prejudice- they are not the same.
BTW you could immediately eliminate 80% of the world's population and this would have exactly ZERO impact on the earth's climate if those eliminated were the poorest. That is a statistical fact- look it up.
When was the last time you posted a "concern" about excessive consumption by wealthy, white Westerners? Ever? You see?
So many people don't seem to understand what racism even is. It's as if they think racism (or any of the other oppressions) is necessarily a CONSCIOUS construct.
The most intransigent aspect of racism are the parts based on SUBconscious or even UNconscious beliefs that there are people who simply don't count as much, for whatever reason. But the funny thing is, those people tend overwhelmingly to fall into the oppressed groups.
The US is a nation born of genocide, suckled on slavery, and weaned on apartheid, and the weaning process has been largely confined to a bottle at board meetings.
Of course the sin, in the eyes of the white and affluent, is not the racism itself, but being reminded of it.
To be fair, it is so deeply ingrained that most do not even realize it, and their indignation is quite sincere when they insist that they are not a bit racist.
I didn't write it but you would probably call me (like the original writer) one who doesn't understand racism. So educate us. What exactly is racism and just as importantly, what am I supposed to do, how should I act, to avoid racist activities?
The world would be so better off if instead of telling us how ignorant we are, you helped to educate us. Thank you.
educate us wrote:
Allen53 wrote:
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If you don't find your statement to be racist you don't understand racism. Racism is to be differentiated from racial prejudice- they are not the same.
BTW you could immediately eliminate 80% of the world's population and this would have exactly ZERO impact on the earth's climate if those eliminated were the poorest. That is a statistical fact- look it up.
When was the last time you posted a "concern" about excessive consumption by wealthy, white Westerners? Ever? You see?
So many people don't seem to understand what racism even is. It's as if they think racism (or any of the other oppressions) is necessarily a CONSCIOUS construct.
The most intransigent aspect of racism are the parts based on SUBconscious or even UNconscious beliefs that there are people who simply don't count as much, for whatever reason. But the funny thing is, those people tend overwhelmingly to fall into the oppressed groups.
The US is a nation born of genocide, suckled on slavery, and weaned on apartheid, and the weaning process has been largely confined to a bottle at board meetings.
Of course the sin, in the eyes of the white and affluent, is not the racism itself, but being reminded of it.
To be fair, it is so deeply ingrained that most do not even realize it, and their indignation is quite sincere when they insist that they are not a bit racist.
I didn't write it but you would probably call me (like the original writer) one who doesn't understand racism. So educate us. What exactly is racism and just as importantly, what am I supposed to do, how should I act, to avoid racist activities?
The world would be so better off if instead of telling us how ignorant we are, you helped to educate us. Thank you.
Sure be happy to if that's something you are sincerely interested in educating yourself about. Racism is not simply an individual prejudice it is a system of power and privilege. The innumerable oppressions (sic) and injustices that surround these systems and institutions are not that difficult to unpack if you are interested in challenging your assumptions- which is always a healthy thing for us all.
MurderDub wrote:
wtfbbq wrote:
I'm skeptical of your statement. I've not seen any reports indicating those statistics regarding a country's HIV rate (and I would know, given I work in the field.)
I HAVE, however, seen reports indicating certain communities within a country have high rates of HIV around 30-40%. Not entire countries.
Check out UNICEF's stats, let alone their bogus-ass projections, from 10-15 years ago and get back to me.
Easily accessible and they do make hilarious reading. But how else do you expect them to get funding?
Precious Roy wrote:
There won't be 4.8 billion Africans by 2100. First, the population growth assumptions are wrong. Recent improvements in stopping HIV, malaria and other preventable diseases plus a relatively peaceful period compared to the days of Burundi genocide and vicious civil wars in Congo, Angola, etc. have caused rapid population growth. But in almost every region in Africa, the population is just one failed rainy season away from famine. So, long before the population comes near 4.8 billion, there will be massive famine that will keep the population in check.
Of course, the only threat overpopulation in African is to the west is from migration. Africans are still incredibly poor and will not be competing with the west for resource.
The key to African population is family planning and ending the pervasive African patriarchy. In the 1980s, the birth rate was about 7.5 for Ethiopian women. Since then, there has been a substantial women's liberation movement in Ethiopia that has made family planning services available to many women. The birth rate has since dropped to 4.2 births per woman. The same thing has happened in Rawanda where the birthrate was over 8 and is now down to just over 4. It is a challenge in areas that are either heavily Muslim or still have significant influence of conservative Christian missionaries. The more difficult side of that problem is African patriarchy. The size of your family is a big deal for men in Africa. Men expect women to raise the children and see no problem with having 6, 8, or 10 children.
Wishing for African famine are you? Your statement of family planning is a statement of non-Africans attempting to force and pressure black African women to abort their babies. Maybe it's just the natural cycle of things for blacks to significantly populate.
Yes. Racism is though quickly becoming a thing of the past. The world is rapidly changing and with technology all people everywhere are seeing what really is. I'm excited for the changes ahead.
El Keniano wrote:
MurderDub wrote:
Check out UNICEF's stats, let alone their bogus-ass projections, from 10-15 years ago and get back to me.
Easily accessible and they do make hilarious reading. But how else do you expect them to get funding?
I was in a South African University in the mid 1990s. I remember during a blood donation drive the stats were that 27% of the donated blood tested HIV +. This from what could be considered to be a higher educated portion of the population.
I would say a large part of the reason why you don't see millions of the aids orphans, and other general population HIV+ people dying is due to antiretrovirals.
In my guess you could easily see 50% + HIV infection rates in rural areas, especially where the witchdoctors actively advocate raping virgins to cure aids.
Once the population gets to a certain point nature will take its own action to thin the herd as it always has.
Africa is a cradle for so many viruses and rare diseases...i just hope some ebola-relative doesnt make its way to civilization although with current immigration policies it is easier and more likely than ever before.
Not F'n Floyd wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Easily accessible and they do make hilarious reading. But how else do you expect them to get funding?
I was in a South African University in the mid 1990s. I remember during a blood donation drive the stats were that 27% of the donated blood tested HIV +. This from what could be considered to be a higher educated portion of the population.
I would say a large part of the reason why you don't see millions of the aids orphans, and other general population HIV+ people dying is due to antiretrovirals.
In my guess you could easily see 50% + HIV infection rates in rural areas, especially where the witchdoctors actively advocate raping virgins to cure aids.
The antiretroviral meds have surely helped, but everybody doesn't have access to them. Everybody who does have access doesn't use them due to the archaic beliefs you allude to. The rates of infection they were projecting are simply too high, meds or not, to coexist with a massive population boom. It never made sense.
El K is right: It was the easiest way to get funding for what was a continentwide crisis.
MurderDub wrote:
Not F'n Floyd wrote:
I was in a South African University in the mid 1990s. I remember during a blood donation drive the stats were that 27% of the donated blood tested HIV +. This from what could be considered to be a higher educated portion of the population.
I would say a large part of the reason why you don't see millions of the aids orphans, and other general population HIV+ people dying is due to antiretrovirals.
In my guess you could easily see 50% + HIV infection rates in rural areas, especially where the witchdoctors actively advocate raping virgins to cure aids.
The antiretroviral meds have surely helped, but everybody doesn't have access to them. Everybody who does have access doesn't use them due to the archaic beliefs you allude to. The rates of infection they were projecting are simply too high, meds or not, to coexist with a massive population boom. It never made sense.
El K is right: It was the easiest way to get funding for what was a continentwide crisis.
Let's agree to disagree then.
As long as Africans stay in Africa, I don't think it matters. If they leave, then hopefully our grandchildren and great grandchildren are prepared for the zombie apocalypse