Your times are more D2 level. Lots of good D2 teams in PA closer to NJ like Shippensburg and Lock Haven. You might crack their top five by your junior year.
Your times are more D2 level. Lots of good D2 teams in PA closer to NJ like Shippensburg and Lock Haven. You might crack their top five by your junior year.
Niles wrote:
[quote]Stop with the lies wrote:
St. Bonaventure. Sure, a bad running school, but there are plenty others out there in the same boat.
To the OP:
If money is a necessity, then you will be able to find it. If you are simply looking to walk on, you will be able to at a fair number of schools, but certainly not the top dogs, barring any major improvements.
Is this Coach Niles from ME? If so, hi!
St Bonaventure has to offer money for a kid that runs 10 because they don't race during indoor season, only xc and outdoor. Weird for sure. I don't know of any other D1 team in the mid-atlantic that would offer money for anyone 9:40-10. Sorry.
I know the OP didn't say he needs money and wants feedback. I'll just say be careful. I would avoid Pitt, Iona, Duq. I've heard from other kids that coaches made promises that didn't hold up. This is not my experience, it's by way of word of mouth so you know how little to trust that.
Out of the schools you mentioned, if you can really get on the team at Providence, then GO. Don't hesitate one second. Coach Treacy is an incredible coach. I have never talked to the coach at URI. They have a decent facility. They got a fast kid in as a frosh this year. I'm not a fan of Haverford or really any of the other D3s in the mid-atlantic area.
If you want to look into D2, look into the PSAC schools. Edinboro has a successful program but not sure they compete in indoor season and they're only fast because they have a strong track record and get the best of the PSAC recruits.
Being Real wrote:
Your times are more D2 level. Lots of good D2 teams in PA closer to NJ like Shippensburg and Lock Haven. You might crack their top five by your junior year.
http://runhigh.com/2018RESULTS/R111718AB.html
You want to send him to Ship? Or Lost Haven (have they ever done anything lol)? He would likely be top 5 now.
Crazy like a fox wrote:
Being Real wrote:
Your times are more D2 level. Lots of good D2 teams in PA closer to NJ like Shippensburg and Lock Haven. You might crack their top five by your junior year.
http://runhigh.com/2018RESULTS/R111718AB.htmlYou want to send him to Ship? Or Lost Haven (have they ever done anything lol)? He would likely be top 5 now.
Those teams top five are regularly 25 minute 8kers. He’s not even a sub 16 5ker
So now every cross course is the same?
Cheers to the next step. Always an honor to run in college.
As for your times - not sure if you'd get the right attention at Providence because they have some serious elites. You might get lost in the cracks - and not get the attention that you need to reach your potential.
Good luck, man!
I hate these threads so much. They never stop. So many unrealistic slow kids and people for whatever reason giving them false information to get their hopes up. Why?
Disclosure: I'm also a D1 assistant coach, except on the sprint/mid side. Western US, that's all I'm giving up information wise. Our standards are very rigorous: 48.0/1:52 to even be considered. Do you have any idea how much crap we'd have to wade through if every kid running 1:55 thought he was scholarship material, how many excuses about injuries and competition and coaching we'd have to deal with?
We have limited scholarships, and we guard them closely. Our jobs depend on conference titles and All-Americans; handing out a full ride to a kid who can do one event on the track and maybe score us four or five points at a conference meet is not as valuable as a kid who can do the 100, 200, 4x1, 4x4, and a jump or two. It's just not. Don't kid yourself.
OP: you're not fast enough. Right now, your times will get you no money at any D1 school worth going to. Full stop. Run faster if you want to run at a serious or competitive D1 program. A few posters are correct that there are outlier D1 schools (Bonaventure, etc.) which are non-competitive and not even worth the designation of being D1. If that is your sole goal, first, re-evaluate what you want out of life, and second, go somewhere else.
Your times right now are D3-ish, which is fine. It doesn't sound like you have the academics for Haverford or CMU, which puts you into the D2 bucket. Most D2 schools have crap academics, so beware. You're not going pro so you should be optimizing for the best school you can get into, bar none.
Also, since you mentioned Haverford, I went to go look it up as I was curious. Your 4:31 would have gotten you 15th at their D3 indoor conference meet.
Be honest with yourself and consider about whether finishing 15th at a D3 conference meet hosted by some school I've personally never heard of is D1 scholarship material.
Predictor wrote:
I agree that you should consider D3. It is silly to go to a bad D1 school. Yes, you can make the top 7 but you will finish 250th out of 300 runners in a cross country race. You won't be allowed to race in any respectable track meet. D3 would be way more fulfilling for a 4:15 and 15 flat college runner.
15 flat? That's D1, brother. Lots of dudes do really well in D1 with a 4:15 HS 1600 PR also. The OP has to work to get there, but he can run for 98% of D1 schools with a 15 flat HS 5,000. Was that a typo?
As it is, he needs to get faster than where he is right now. Sub 9:20 should be the goal for him, but he will get interest even if a little slower.
Flagpole wrote:
Predictor wrote:
I agree that you should consider D3. It is silly to go to a bad D1 school. Yes, you can make the top 7 but you will finish 250th out of 300 runners in a cross country race. You won't be allowed to race in any respectable track meet. D3 would be way more fulfilling for a 4:15 and 15 flat college runner.
15 flat? That's D1, brother. Lots of dudes do really well in D1 with a 4:15 HS 1600 PR also. The OP has to work to get there, but he can run for 98% of D1 schools with a 15 flat HS 5,000. Was that a typo?
As it is, he needs to get faster than where he is right now. Sub 9:20 should be the goal for him, but he will get interest even if a little slower.
I don't understand this. 15 flat would put him about 200th in D3 last year. How is that D1 scholarship material?
Ncaa violation wrote:
D3 schools can’t hook you up with a dorm room.
Lol yes they can
I know kids who got money for 16:0X 5ks and 9:3X 3200m for crap D1 schools.
Not a typo. I said D3 would be more fulfilling for a 4:15/15 flat COLLEGE runner. Those are the times that he is on his way to hit in college, not high school. He will get lost in D1 as a 4:15/15 minute college runner.
Which school did it? It is very difficult to get away with it because their compliance department is required to submit all of that data to the NCAA. Please inform us which schools are doing it so that we can suspend them for a year.
Also D1 Asst Coast wrote:
I hate these threads so much. They never stop. So many unrealistic slow kids and people for whatever reason giving them false information to get their hopes up. Why?
Disclosure: I'm also a D1 assistant coach, except on the sprint/mid side. Western US, that's all I'm giving up information wise. Our standards are very rigorous: 48.0/1:52 to even be considered. Do you have any idea how much crap we'd have to wade through if every kid running 1:55 thought he was scholarship material, how many excuses about injuries and competition and coaching we'd have to deal with?
We have limited scholarships, and we guard them closely. Our jobs depend on conference titles and All-Americans; handing out a full ride to a kid who can do one event on the track and maybe score us four or five points at a conference meet is not as valuable as a kid who can do the 100, 200, 4x1, 4x4, and a jump or two. It's just not. Don't kid yourself.
OP: you're not fast enough. Right now, your times will get you no money at any D1 school worth going to. Full stop. Run faster if you want to run at a serious or competitive D1 program. A few posters are correct that there are outlier D1 schools (Bonaventure, etc.) which are non-competitive and not even worth the designation of being D1. If that is your sole goal, first, re-evaluate what you want out of life, and second, go somewhere else.
Your times right now are D3-ish, which is fine. It doesn't sound like you have the academics for Haverford or CMU, which puts you into the D2 bucket. Most D2 schools have crap academics, so beware. You're not going pro so you should be optimizing for the best school you can get into, bar none.
This thanksgiving I'm thankful that I am nowhere near as dumb as you. Oh my gosh. Can't you read or are you just too high on yourself?
The OP says right in his post that he knows he can't get athletic money but maybe money based on need. He wants feedback on the programs he is asking about. Maybe help him there and let him know which schools are more generous with financial aid.
OP:
Duquesne: They'll never be a good program. They basically mail every kid in the program that runs varsity in the hopes that 1 or 2 will come to run for them. They never get good runners and never will. They also don't develop their runners. Look at the progressions on tfrrs and you'll see what I mean.
Saint Francis is on the upswing. They're a super small super catholic school in the middle of nowhere. You will be surrounded by amish and menonites. They have gotten some decent runners lately and you may be top 5 when you get there if you improve some more. They don't have any money so don't expect to travel unless you become a star.
UConn: I don't see how you could make the team. It's a great campus although the coach is a jackwad. Kids are all high on themselves but they don't realize it's a basketball school and that's the only reason anyone has ever heard of them otherwise you'd be better off at Connecticut College.
All the SUNYs are crap state schools that have no right to be DI they should be DII like the PSAC schools are. Plus there is no real coaching and again no money.
Pitt has come a long way and they now have 5 decent runners plus you'll see some better recruits showing up there this year. These guys have more money but you likely won't make the team and forget traveling unless you get in your car to drive to watch others compete.
That's about all I know about the specific list of schools. For what it's worth, please consider DIII
We keep asking for the names of the schools so that we can inform our runners who are desperately looking for money and can't find any even though they are much faster. I agree with the D2 coach who was honest with everyone here. There is no money for guys running 9:30 or 9:40. 9:20 guys are searching for money so supply and demand would eliminate the 9:40 guys from consideration. Many kids will go anywhere to say the ran D1.
Sorry to disappoint you but D1 coaches can respond to other than the OP and the threads have a way of evolving over time. That's what happens on anonymous sites like this one. The information may not all help the OP but it will help hundreds of other readers by dispelling the rumors that are being spread.
If you can eat a lot of hot dogs you can run D1 and get money if you advertise on craigslist haha.
Can you share a list of these kids that are crying for money to run in a Mid-Major or lesser conference so I can reach out to them and confirm if in fact they would be willing to run at such a program?
I am now curious, as we recruit hundreds of kids a year from sub-9 to sub-10 for Men and sub-11 to sub-12:30 for Women.
My last full scholarship female- 58, 2:13, 5:00, 11:33.
My last full scholarship male, 9:36, 15:17
D1 Asst Coach wrote:
Can you share a list of these kids that are crying for money to run in a Mid-Major or lesser conference so I can reach out to them and confirm if in fact they would be willing to run at such a program?
I am now curious, as we recruit hundreds of kids a year from sub-9 to sub-10 for Men and sub-11 to sub-12:30 for Women.
My last full scholarship female- 58, 2:13, 5:00, 11:33.
My last full scholarship male, 9:36, 15:17
We have 4 kids that run 9:36 or faster. The two that are sub 9:20 get contacts but those that aren't haven't really at all. Here's the odd thing though, that 15:17 to me seems way out of line with 9:36. At least by us if you're running an xc 5K in 15:17 you'd have to be sub 9:10 on the track. Kids don't get to run 5K on the track until college.