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    • LetsRun.com
      your benevolent dictator
    • How do we stop Flotrack?
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/16/2018 10:33PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • How do we stop Flotrack?
      • How do we get flotrack to stop doing this paywall every year for NCAA's? They even did this for Dubai when Bekele was racing literally hours before the race in an attempt to grab a few subscribers.
    • GoldenMiles
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/16/2018 10:46PM - in reply to How do we stop Flotrack?
      • GoldenMiles
      • You can only watch this if you pay for Flotrack, right? F that.

        Hope Fisher wins, though! And I’ll root for Kelati, since she went to HS right next door to me (I remember when her and Drew Hunter both won FL and lived within 10 minutes of each other).
    • Indoor?
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/16/2018 11:11PM - in reply to 9 months tops
      • Indoor?
      • My biggest thing is the shady part of basically forcing people to subscribe for a whole year. I hate that you have to pay but if it was just a 1 day $5 or $10 I'd do it. But either $30 for 1 month or have to lock in for a year, no thanks. Seems dishonest and a bad business model.
    • Marketing genius
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/16/2018 11:34PM - in reply to Indoor?
      • Marketing genius
      • Indoor? wrote:

        My biggest thing is the shady part of basically forcing people to subscribe for a whole year. I hate that you have to pay but if it was just a 1 day $5 or $10 I'd do it. But either $30 for 1 month or have to lock in for a year, no thanks. Seems dishonest and a bad business model.

        I would absolutely pay $5 or $10 to watch nationals. But I won’t pay $30 for the month and needing to cancel my membership.
    • How can't he
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 1:12AM - in reply to Marketing genius
      • How can't he
      • Off the Flotrack note, can anyone see McDonald losing? He is both the strongest guy in the field with his 13:15 5K, and the fastest guy in the field with a 3:55 and a 13:19 that he closed for the win in 56. It's also his home course, he's used to running in the cold, and he's not a stick skinny guy who would be more likely to suffer in this weather. Fast race, slow race, great weather, bad weather, I don't see a way around him. Anyone who does, how do you think it will happen?
    • ThatAverageRunner
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      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 4:16AM - in reply to How can't he
      • ThatAverageRunner
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      • How can't he wrote:

        Off the Flotrack note, can anyone see McDonald losing? He is both the strongest guy in the field with his 13:15 5K, and the fastest guy in the field with a 3:55 and a 13:19 that he closed for the win in 56. It's also his home course, he's used to running in the cold, and he's not a stick skinny guy who would be more likely to suffer in this weather. Fast race, slow race, great weather, bad weather, I don't see a way around him. Anyone who does, how do you think it will happen?

        Yeah but 5k track =/= 10k grass.

        Someone with better endurance (nau?) will have to drop him before the last K
    • THANKKKU
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 4:21AM - in reply to 9 months tops
      • THANKKKU
      • 9 months tops wrote:

        they are on the verge of going bust, just give it some time, problem will solve itself.

        Man I hope you are right and have good info. They just make me so sick. They won't ever get one cent from my family.
    • Runnerchx44
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 7:16AM - in reply to Marketing genius
      • Runnerchx44
      • I agree. I would absolutely pay $5-$10 to watch the race online. Heck, by the end of the year they would have $30 ir more from me if they did things this way. Instead they get nothing. From all of us. Very poor business model.
    • mflo
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 7:34AM - in reply to Runnerchx44
      • mflo
      • Then start your competing business with the business model you think is smart. Put up or shut up.
    • lkj
    • Echion
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      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 8:08AM - in reply to mflo
      • Echion
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      • mflo wrote:

        Then start your competing business with the business model you think is smart. Put up or shut up.

        It's not so much about changing the business model, it's about how the race used to be free and accessible until someone decided to take that away.
        I used to enjoy watching this race as a passive college fan. Now I have to read updates on this thread.
        Do you see how this tactic doesn't make friends?
    • Wtfbbq
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 8:58AM - in reply to mflo
      • Wtfbbq
      • mflo wrote:

        Then start your competing business with the business model you think is smart. Put up or shut up.

        He/she’s a consumer who is a potential client of the vendor. They absolutely have the right to complain.
    • rspndr
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 9:04AM - in reply to Wtfbbq
      • rspndr
      • It wasn't the complaint, it was the dumb comment about the "business model." His model, apparently, would be pay for stuff and then give it away for free.

        That's dumb, he got called out on it. No big deal.
    • AllieO gonna win it
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 9:14AM - in reply to lkj
      • AllieO gonna win it
      • lkj wrote:

        Flotrack says possible race delay because of weather.

        Alaskan AllieO laughs at weather delays. I believe extremely cold weather would benefit someone who spent her life training in the Last Frontier. JUST SHOOT THE GUN, PANSIES!
    • vivalarepublica
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      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 9:23AM - in reply to Marketing genius
      • vivalarepublica
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      • Marketing genius wrote:

        Indoor? wrote:

        My biggest thing is the shady part of basically forcing people to subscribe for a whole year. I hate that you have to pay but if it was just a 1 day $5 or $10 I'd do it. But either $30 for 1 month or have to lock in for a year, no thanks. Seems dishonest and a bad business model.

        I would absolutely pay $5 or $10 to watch nationals. But I won’t pay $30 for the month and needing to cancel my membership.

        Yep, in the same boat. Would pay a fee bucks for my favorite events of the year. Not interested in subscriptions.
    • vivalarepublica
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      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 9:25AM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • vivalarepublica
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      • Also, I like Tyler Day for individual champ. I don't think we have seen his best this year. This is a cross country 10k and I think it favors him over track speedsters like Fisher and McDonald.
    • rojo
      co-founder
      • RE: Official 2018 NCAA XC Discussion Thread 11/17/2018 9:27AM - in reply to How can't he
      • rojo
        co-founder
      • How can't he wrote:

        He is both the strongest guy in the field with his 13:15 5K, and the fastest guy in the field with a 3:55 and a 13:19 that he closed for the win in 56. It's also his home course, he's used to running in the cold, and he's not a stick skinny guy who would be more likely to suffer in this weather. Fast race, slow race, great weather, bad weather, I don't see a way around him. Anyone who does, how do you think it will happen?

        I can see him losing. 1) This isn't a track race 2) Even if it was, I certainly think FIsher is capable of a 13:15. Fisher ran 13:30 in 2016 at age 19. McDonald ran 13:29 in 2016 at age 20. 3)I do think some guys struggle in the mud 4) What you are saying about the best PRs certainly was true for Cheserek when he lost to Tiernant right?

        Now, I'm not sure Fisher will win because with it being wet it will be more like an 11k than a 5k. Of course I'm not sure why I think the longer distance would hurt Fisher more but that was my thought.

        If you are guy that runs on your toes (I certainly don't think McDnonald is, but what about Fisher?) then you may struggle.

        Here is what it looks like in Madison.

        https://twitter.com/jgault13/status/1063778893000249344

        https://twitter.com/jmlynski/status/1063776429442256901