Ridiculous: Teen’s lacy thong used as evidence for consent

I get the sense that the Irish are not as progressive as you may think.

I also wonder what else besides the lacy panties was used to convince the jury to acquit. My brother once represented a woman in a divorce proceedings (quite contentious) and in making his case he had a dozen examples of how the husband was cheating on the wife, hiding money, doing all sorts of things. In the list was one pretty minor thing that, had it been the only thing, would not have even been presented. That one thing made the papers (it was a high profile divorce in a small town). My brother noted that the other 11 things were pretty major. He also wished he had left that one thing out since it really was not moving the case.

Reading the article it isn’t clear to me what he’s being accused of. He is saying the sex was consensual but her stance isn’t stated. There is an age discrepancy. This feels like a statutory rape case as opposed to violent sexual assault case. If that’s what this is, and the law implies that a girl her age is incapable of giving consent, then going out and buying underwear like that could be used as evidence that this girl was actively seeking/interested in sex. There’s clear forethought and intention. So I think this really depends on what kind of rape we’re talking about here. In the modern era, rape is no longer a proverbial four letter word but rather a loose umbrella term that covers a wide variety of behaviors of drastically differing degrees of severity and reprehensibility.

Darwin’s Crazy Aunt wrote:

This feels like a statutory rape case as opposed to violent sexual assault case. If that’s what this is, and the law implies that a girl her age is incapable of giving consent, then going out and buying underwear like that could be used as evidence that this girl was actively seeking/interested in sex. There’s clear forethought and intention.

You stooge! Wearing a thong does not mean she was seeking sex. She probably thought they were comfortable or wanted to hide an underwear line. I can't believe people like you are allowed to vote.

ustooge wrote:

Wearing a thong does not mean she was seeking sex.

It’s not the only reason to wear one, no. But I would say it’s reasonable to introduce it as one component of a larger body of evidence. Thong + fake ID + condoms, for example, is pretty clear evidence of knowing what you want, ahead of time, in a thoughtful and deliberate way consistent with the legal definition of consent (as opposed to the statutory implications that people her age are mentally incapable of giving consent).

In Ireland, only hookers and sluts wear lacy throngs; good, clean Irish girls don’t.

Darwin’s Crazy Aunt wrote:then going out and buying underwear like that could be used as evidence that this girl was actively seeking/interested in sex. There’s clear forethought and intention.

NO NO NO NO NO NO.

What is wrong with some of u dudes? ??

It doesn't matter what a woman wears! It doesn't mean she's asking for it!

A woman could be naked and if she says NO, then it is rape.

You should definitely shout platitudes at people and maximize outrage without knowing any relevant details about the case. That always turns out well

Darwin’s Crazy Aunt wrote:

This feels like a statutory rape case as opposed to violent sexual assault case. If that’s what this is, and the law implies that a girl her age is incapable of giving consent, then going out and buying underwear like that could be used as evidence that this girl was actively seeking/interested in sex. There’s clear forethought and intention.

ustooge wrote:

You stooge! Wearing a thong does not mean she was seeking sex. She probably thought they were comfortable or wanted to hide an underwear line. I can't believe people like you are allowed to vote.

Plus a 17 year old is under age, and can NOT give consent. The rape is still rape regardless.

And wearing a thong makes no difference. Rape is still rape.

This web site is full of pseudo Puritan hypocrites. They are full of hate and insults for women and then claim women were asking for it because some horny male could not act like a human being. It is sickening and sad.

Exactly ... wrote:

Plus a 17 year old is under age, and can NOT give consent. The rape is still rape regardless.

You probably should have looked up the age of consent in Ireland before posting.

Hardloper wrote:

You should definitely shout platitudes at people and maximize outrage without knowing any relevant details about the case. That always turns out well

You can continue to support rape culture and behavior. You have no idea what I do and do not know about this specific case.

I really don't know the answer as this is Ireland and Irish law applies. Since this is primarily a USA website with the vast majority being Americans please don't apply American law to Ireland. They have their own set of laws to which they are governed by.

What are the details of the case?

Did the guy just grab her as she was walking home from school?

Or did he text her and try to be her "sugar daddy"?

So it was used as evidence but we don't know if it had any bearing on the outcome of the case. For all we know the jury may have laughed at the idea but found him not guilty based on other evidence.

All it really tells us is that the defense lawyer is a sleazy dirtbag who will stop at nothing to get their client off.....but that's how these people make a living.

Although perhaps the judge should have not allowed the idea to be introduced in first place???

only a virgin would think that a girl wearing a thong has no relevance to what she wanted that night.

Seriously, just think in your own personal life, if you think you are going to have sex or hoping to sex that night what pair of underwear do you put on? That semi-torn ripped pair you only wear when you are behind on your laundry (we all have that pair), or the nice clean fresh pair that emphasize your package?

The saying "If her bra matches her panties when you take off her clothes, it wasn't you who decided to have sex" is true for a reason

Free_the_thigh wrote:

only a virgin would think that a girl wearing a thong has no relevance to what she wanted that night.

Seriously, just think in your own personal life, if you think you are going to have sex or hoping to sex that night what pair of underwear do you put on? That semi-torn ripped pair you only wear when you are behind on your laundry (we all have that pair), or the nice clean fresh pair that emphasize your package?

The saying "If her bra matches her panties when you take off her clothes, it wasn't you who decided to have sex" is true for a reason

You clearly have no experience with women. Before I married, every single girl I ever dated primarily wore thongs. All of my wife’s underwear is “sexy” . She only wears thongs. I know (in hindsight) she wore thongs on every single date we went out on together before we were married. She did not consent to sex with me on those dates even though she was wearing sexy underwear. Should I have raped her on those dates? Clearly she was asking for it with her underwear choice, right? No. She wasn’t.

A huge amount of women only wear thongs. It’s meaningless. I can also confirm on many occasions I’ve witnessed my wife, and the women I dated, put on matching underwear and it certainly was no guarantee of anything.

+1

Wtfbbq wrote:

This rape trial happened in Ireland, not some backwards, repressed third world country.

It’s 2018. How the hell does this happen?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-46207304https://jezebel.com/irish-women-protest-use-of-teens-lacy-thong-as-evidence-1830439810

You can see why it still happens by the sexist and derogatory replies by the males (I'm assuming most are pimple-faced teenagers or nerdy College students) on this forum.

The stupid bastards seriously believe that the girl's underwear makes the difference in whether she is raped or not.

Obviously, most of these idiots have little to no experience with women. They are pathetic morons.

In the legal word we call this the "10 things I hate about you" defense

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c1e84967-ac0e-4f04-9536-c1fa9a474b91