I think maybe 2:00 is good for a college distance guy and sub 2 is really good. I’ve heard low 1:50s for the top guys but if they’re that fast why not just focus on the 800 instead?
I think maybe 2:00 is good for a college distance guy and sub 2 is really good. I’ve heard low 1:50s for the top guys but if they’re that fast why not just focus on the 800 instead?
Just check the results from the ncaa Champs. I would agree that the best 5k guys could run around 150 but the 800 specialists are running 1:45-1:46
If you take any of the top 15 ranked teams in a cross country region, every guy in their top 7 could run sub 2:00 for 800. If you look at guys that are finishing top 10 in XC/10k/5k they can all most likely run low 1:50's, some of the top 800 guys can probably go high 1:40's.
Your question why don't they focus on the 800 then. People usually choose to compete in the event that they are most competitive in. For instance, if you take Grant Fisher, he could probably run 1:48 by doing more speed oriented work. 1:48 is a solid time but compared to 13:2X, it is much worse. If he can try and win the national title in XC and 10k/5k in track then why would he waste his time training for the 800 when he doesn't have a shot of winning.
*some of the top 5000 guys can probably go high 1:40's.
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8on4acghiuanv wrote:
*some of the top 5000 guys can probably go high 1:40's.
Got any stats to back that up? I thought the good guys were more like 1:55-1:57.
I would guess something like 90% of D1 XC runners can run 1:55-1:57
Statts wrote:
8on4acghiuanv wrote:
*some of the top 5000 guys can probably go high 1:40's.
Got any stats to back that up? I thought the good guys were more like 1:55-1:57.
Not a strong correlation between 800m and 8K/10K D1 XC. 1:46 to 2:05 800m for most D1 varsity XC runners. There are D1 XC runners who cannot race sub-28 8K XC.
800m to 8000m XC wrote:
Statts wrote:
Got any stats to back that up? I thought the good guys were more like 1:55-1:57.
Not a strong correlation between 800m and 8K/10K D1 XC. 1:46 to 2:05 800m for most D1 varsity XC runners. There are D1 XC runners who cannot race sub-28 8K XC.
This thread is about the 800 speed of the top d1 distance runners.
In the book, Running with the Buffaloes, one of the guys who was an all-American that year (Mike Friedburg) guys had a 2:05 PR. He was said to be a real slow-twitcher, though.
Faaast wrote:
800m to 8000m XC wrote:
Not a strong correlation between 800m and 8K/10K D1 XC. 1:46 to 2:05 800m for most D1 varsity XC runners. There are D1 XC runners who cannot race sub-28 8K XC.
This thread is about the 800 speed of the top d1 distance runners.
I stated not strong correlation from 800m to 8K/10K XC. Do you have facts to the contrary? Are you being argumentative for no reason?
I was a decent, not great D2 steeple/5k guy (only qualified for Nationals once). I ran several 800s on 4x800s at invitationals and consistently hit high 1:53s. I have a friend who was a high 13s 5K guy at one of the big name D1 schools. His coach would have him run an early season 800 and on the 4x800relays. He consistently ran 1:50.xxs. There is a world of difference between running low 1:50s and sub-1:50s. I can't imagine any amount of speed and/or strength work than would have gotten me to sub-1:50.
OP never gave his definition of a top D1 XC runner. Is a top XC runner sub-26:xx? Is a top XC runner sub-25:xx? Is a top D1 XC runner sub-24:xx? Check out UTEP on Athletic.net
Most of the top guys can run at least 1:55, but are probably closer to 1:50. Obviously there will be exceptions, but I'd be very surprised if, in general, top guys are running 2:00 or slower.
8on4acghiuanv wrote:
If you take any of the top 15 ranked teams in a cross country region, every guy in their top 7 could run sub 2:00 for 800.
Absolutely untrue. To think that there aren't some high preponderance slow-twitch 5th-7th guys on the 10-15th best teams in some sh*tty regions that would not sniff sub 2, then you are delusionally naive. I ran with some of them.
800m to 8000m XC wrote:
OP never gave his definition of a top D1 XC runner. Is a top XC runner sub-26:xx? Is a top XC runner sub-25:xx? Is a top D1 XC runner sub-24:xx? Check out UTEP on Athletic.net
Top d1 5k/10k would make d1 track finals and score in those events. Top XC guys would most likely be the same individuals, so top 10 at xc nationals.
Not just anyone with a d1 uniform, the real competition.
It took me five seconds to look up Mike Saruni, UTEP. A 1:43.xx 800m man and a 24:13 8K XC person. I do not have the time to look through the results on Athletic.net; I am sure there is a 1:46.xx 800m man who fits your top category for 8K/10K XC. Interesting how your definition of top got defined after a dozen posts.
800m to 8000m XC wrote:
It took me five seconds to look up Mike Saruni, UTEP. A 1:43.xx 800m man and a 24:13 8K XC person. I do not have the time to look through the results on Athletic.net; I am sure there is a 1:46.xx 800m man who fits your top category for 8K/10K XC. Interesting how your definition of top got defined after a dozen posts.
I thought the definition of top d1 5k/10k/ XC runner was clear enough in the thread title.
This discussion isn’t about how fast a top collegiate 800m runner can race an 8k. 24:xx 8k isn’t a top 8k time.
This is about how fast a top d1 distance runner can race an 800.
2:00 is not that fast wrote:
Most of the top guys can run at least 1:55, but are probably closer to 1:50. Obviously there will be exceptions, but I'd be very surprised if, in general, top guys are running 2:00 or slower.
Correct.
Former D1 here. When i first entered college i was a 800/1500 guy and run 1:52 off that training. Later i focused more on distance and placed decent at xc nationals. Even when i was running 100+ miles and sub 14 5ks, i doubt that i couldn't at least run 1:55 with some sharpening.
Now how about a somewhat related question. Has there ever been a d1 XC national race where someone closed sub 2 for final 800?
What are some of the fastest final 800s in the 5k/10k at track nationals?