I'm willing to bet that nobody would bat an eye about this dude if he just buzzed the hair and shaved the chinstrap beard. His hair choices are the ones douches choose worldwide. Even if he's a nice guy in real life, works hard, etc.--the hair and the beard do him no favors. They are the straws that break the camel's back imho
Coevett wrote:
Patrick Cutter is an Instagram star and 40 year old buff dude who runs marathons in 2 hrs 30 minutes with no vest on. This has obviously antagonized a few LetsRun types who have been leaving pure hate comments on his account claiming that he is disrespecting the 115lb waifs like them who finish behind him and that he ought to be 'disqualificated'.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo-cNOcA8tL/?hl=en&taken-by=irun26point2__
this guy is a total cheeseball with his posts. And he has this notion where he thinks he can just keep doing the same training/heavy lifting and drop from 2:35 to 2:29:59 without significant adjustments. He's a 2:35/1:13:43 HM guy who believes in the weightlifting and doesn't seem willing to let it go. Dude needs to prioritize body mass or fast times because 2:29 ain't gonna happen with that physique.
He seems way too heavy for the amount of talent he has to run that fast...and i think he knows it's true. 2:35 to 2:30 is a pretty big change in training and all the body weight isn't only going to make it harder. It's a different tier of running/training/talent to get there.
I'd never write this on his Insta because his followers would go berserk.
bummer wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
He’s a bit bigger than I was but I was always 10-20lbs heavier than runners of similar height. I didn’t even lift until I stopped competing. He could get down to 2:20 if he stopped lifting and lost some muscle.
https://moranphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/2008-Pioneer-Run/G0000ge4s58C2YGI/I0000RBw_meFJ.Z0/C0000N7agr_CN2S4Alan
Dude, I have to be honest..I thought runningart2004 was Alan Webb..
I enjoy your balanced input though, great stuff. I'll for the sake of LRC, will continue believing you're Alan Webb.
me too!
By the way, Coevett, you are about as responsible as anyone for this guy having his reputation bashed here. You knew exactly what would happen when you created this thread, and you did so any way, just to troll. The only thing that makes better some of the others is that you at least didn't under your frequently used registered name.
Coevett wrote:
ooper wrote:
He doesn't look all that different to a tri-guy and the time would be consistent with what they could do without 6hrs of stuff before running the full.
+1
The Diaz brothers (top MMA fighters) are known for being squeaky clean when it comes to (performance enhancing) drugs, yet they have good muscular size and definition despite being basically triathletes who still compete in MMA for the occasional payday. I'm sure if they were more vanity orientated they would be as buff as Patrick Cutter.
No idea really if he is roided or not, but there's no way you can say he is just because he's slightly buff and runs elite hobby jogger marathon times.
Angel Morani wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
He’s a bit bigger than I was but I was always 10-20lbs heavier than runners of similar height. I didn’t even lift until I stopped competing. He could get down to 2:20 if he stopped lifting and lost some muscle.
https://moranphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/2008-Pioneer-Run/G0000ge4s58C2YGI/I0000RBw_meFJ.Z0/C0000N7agr_CN2S4Alan
That is very forthcoming of you to post yourself on a "Moranphoto"!
Old race. Old photographer named Moran that took photos of races. Surprised it still exists in cyberspace. I didn't post myself on "Moranphoto".
Alan
typical speculation on Letsrun wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Patrick Cutter is an Instagram star and 40 year old buff dude who runs marathons in 2 hrs 30 minutes with no vest on. This has obviously antagonized a few LetsRun types who have been leaving pure hate comments on his account claiming that he is disrespecting the 115lb waifs like them who finish behind him and that he ought to be 'disqualificated'.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo-cNOcA8tL/?hl=en&taken-by=irun26point2__this guy is a total cheeseball with his posts. And he has this notion where he thinks he can just keep doing the same training/heavy lifting and drop from 2:35 to 2:29:59 without significant adjustments. He's a 2:35/1:13:43 HM guy who believes in the weightlifting and doesn't seem willing to let it go. Dude needs to prioritize body mass or fast times because 2:29 ain't gonna happen with that physique.
He seems way too heavy for the amount of talent he has to run that fast...and i think he knows it's true. 2:35 to 2:30 is a pretty big change in training and all the body weight isn't only going to make it harder. It's a different tier of running/training/talent to get there.
I'd never write this on his Insta because his followers would go berserk.
We're all human, and naturally reading posts like this will sting a bit, but honestly the joke is on all of you. How many people blasting him can run a 2:35 and rep 225? It all goes back to, who really f**king cares?! He dropped from a non BQ time to a 2:35 literally maintaining the same mass over years of mileage, how doesn't that get some street cred in the running circle, for the love of god??
You all get so butt hurt and offended by posts of "IG runners" and yeah some of it is lame, no argument there, but ya'll come off as a bunch of mental midgets stuck in a 15 year old mentality anonymously blasting a guy, because you don't like his style? Please...
1.5 cents wrote:
typical speculation on Letsrun wrote:
this guy is a total cheeseball with his posts. And he has this notion where he thinks he can just keep doing the same training/heavy lifting and drop from 2:35 to 2:29:59 without significant adjustments. He's a 2:35/1:13:43 HM guy who believes in the weightlifting and doesn't seem willing to let it go. Dude needs to prioritize body mass or fast times because 2:29 ain't gonna happen with that physique.
He seems way too heavy for the amount of talent he has to run that fast...and i think he knows it's true. 2:35 to 2:30 is a pretty big change in training and all the body weight isn't only going to make it harder. It's a different tier of running/training/talent to get there.
I'd never write this on his Insta because his followers would go berserk.
We're all human, and naturally reading posts like this will sting a bit, but honestly the joke is on all of you. How many people blasting him can run a 2:35 and rep 225? It all goes back to, who really f**king cares?! He dropped from a non BQ time to a 2:35 literally maintaining the same mass over years of mileage, how doesn't that get some street cred in the running circle, for the love of god??
You all get so butt hurt and offended by posts of "IG runners" and yeah some of it is lame, no argument there, but ya'll come off as a bunch of mental midgets stuck in a 15 year old mentality anonymously blasting a guy, because you don't like his style? Please...
Well, it's all relative 1.5 cents.
i'm fairly skinny, 165 lbs 6'-2", but in college i could consistently split in the 49's, ran 1:52 and a 4:08 mile. My 5k was only 15:40's though. ONE time I benched over 200lbs. I also dunked a basketball my sophomore year of college. I could've played soccer if I didn't run track...
What I'm saying by doing some time-dropping/bragging, is I really am not impressed by this guy and that's where I'm coming from. I know he's impressive compared to the majority of human-kind, but I simply don't care so perhaps I'm a bit more willing to go on the offensive and say he really could do better: (1) He could be more ripped if that's really important to him and (2) he could be faster if he lost weight and focused more on running. But instead, he's stuck in the 2:35 zone which is kind of the marathon equivalent of a high school 4:30 mile if you ask me....
I've only run a 2:33 marathon, but my standards are different. A 2:35 marathon on a not that good looking soft-muscular guy really doesn't impress me at all.
yeah, i'm kind of a d*ckhead
guy who assumes a lot wrote:
i'm fairly skinny, 165 lbs 6'-2", but in college i could consistently split in the 49's, ran 1:52 and a 4:08 mile. My 5k was only 15:40's though. ONE time I benched over 200lbs. I also dunked a basketball my sophomore year of college. I could've played soccer if I didn't run track...
I am trying to understand your point. You were almost or about as good as any one of 5 middle distance teammates from my D3 college days, so it is okay for you to go on the offensive and say that he could go from the equivalent of a 4:30 high school miler to a 4:20 high school miler if he did things the way you would have him do things (and a 4:20 gets you what exactly?)?
guy who assumes a lot wrote:
Well, it's all relative 1.5 cents.
i'm fairly skinny, 165 lbs 6'-2", but in college i could consistently split in the 49's, ran 1:52 and a 4:08 mile. My 5k was only 15:40's though. ONE time I benched over 200lbs. I also dunked a basketball my sophomore year of college. I could've played soccer if I didn't run track...
What I'm saying by doing some time-dropping/bragging, is I really am not impressed by this guy and that's where I'm coming from. I know he's impressive compared to the majority of human-kind, but I simply don't care so perhaps I'm a bit more willing to go on the offensive and say he really could do better: (1) He could be more ripped if that's really important to him and (2) he could be faster if he lost weight and focused more on running. But instead, he's stuck in the 2:35 zone which is kind of the marathon equivalent of a high school 4:30 mile if you ask me....
I've only run a 2:33 marathon, but my standards are different. A 2:35 marathon on a not that good looking soft-muscular guy really doesn't impress me at all.
yeah, i'm kind of a d*ckhead
Do you get laid a lot and have a smoking hot model gf/wife? How many figures do you make? There is some crucial territory you left uncovered.
Smoove wrote:
guy who assumes a lot wrote:
i'm fairly skinny, 165 lbs 6'-2", but in college i could consistently split in the 49's, ran 1:52 and a 4:08 mile. My 5k was only 15:40's though. ONE time I benched over 200lbs. I also dunked a basketball my sophomore year of college. I could've played soccer if I didn't run track...
I am trying to understand your point. You were almost or about as good as any one of 5 middle distance teammates from my D3 college days, so it is okay for you to go on the offensive and say that he could go from the equivalent of a 4:30 high school miler to a 4:20 high school miler if he did things the way you would have him do things (and a 4:20 gets you what exactly?)?
His goal, not mine. I'm merely responding to it.
About a year ago on Instagram he posted splits from a fairly solid workout and discussed his goal to be sub 2:30. If he truly cares about that goal, he could get there by running more miles, harder/faster workouts, and losing weight (i.e. giving up some of the vanity/weightlifting regiment)
I'm saying two things: (1) In response to 1.5 cents- Yeah i don't like his style and think he's pretty lame. This is not a mature attitude to have but I have it. 1.5 cents basically said the joke was on us but for me, it's not because I am not impressed by Patrick Cutter as an athlete. (2) he needs to commit to the 2:30 goal if that's important to him and based on his talent/newness to running , he will likely never get there but certainly has no chance if he keeps up the weightlifting and him upper body stay so thick.
also, you had a very good D3 team if 5 guys could run 1:52 and a 4:08 mile...... what's your school?
Coevett wrote:
Steve WK wrote:
Nothing screams "pathetic" like a man in his 50s using the term "jelly".
Nothing screams "adolescent SJW stuck in a suited 40 year old man's body" than the use of the term "Nothing screams.....like".
And I'm not in my 50s.
Sweet comeback.
You certainly are pretending not to be in your 50s with your hip lingo.
Runningart2004 wrote:
He’s a bit bigger than I was but I was always 10-20lbs heavier than runners of similar height. I didn’t even lift until I stopped competing. He could get down to 2:20 if he stopped lifting and lost some muscle.
https://moranphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/2008-Pioneer-Run/G0000ge4s58C2YGI/I0000RBw_meFJ.Z0/C0000N7agr_CN2S4Alan
Yea. Guy could scare OTC standards without the weight. At least 10-20lbs extra there which is probably worth 10' - 15'.
I just realized he has a USATF tattoo
Smoove wrote:
By the way, Coevett, you are about as responsible as anyone for this guy having his reputation bashed here. You knew exactly what would happen when you created this thread, and you did so any way, just to troll. The only thing that makes better some of the others is that you at least didn't under your frequently used registered name.
I agree, but, as I am not invested at all in this, I think he's doing ok, actually. Yes, there is some speculation about drug use (note he's 28 not 40), but that makes him the same as any runner with any amount of success being talked about here. Has any "known" runner not been accused of doing drugs here? Maybe Sage? It's clear the guy wants to be talked about, I think overall this thread has been good publicity. I certainly didn't know he existed before. Not that I will "follow" him, or whatever people do (I don't have social media), but I did look him up and found his age, so, others may do more. As you know him you may have to ask him directly how he feels - I'd bet overall he's good with the attention (he is a bit of a peacock after all).
University at Albany, early 90s. Two D3 national champs in the 800, another in the steeple, a guy who won Penn Relays mile in high school, and a 5th who ran 3:49, but while he was on the team with me when it was D3, he ran that time after they moved up to D2.
And you are imposing your viewpoint on the guy. He has steadily improved over the years and thinks he can continue to do so. The trend line for him has been good. Your di--head tendencies and immaturity are clouding your vision there, I think (I should add that I applaud your self-awareness and believe I share it - I'm not denying I can be a d--k sometimes myself).
My suggestion is that if everyone is such a hero, they got post this stuff on the guy's Instagram account, so we can each be held accountable for our words and opinions.
Steve WK wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Nothing screams "adolescent SJW stuck in a suited 40 year old man's body" than the use of the term "Nothing screams.....like".
And I'm not in my 50s.
Sweet comeback.
You certainly are pretending not to be in your 50s with your hip lingo.
He says he's 47 but you never know.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8681096Smoove wrote:
University at Albany, early 90s. Two D3 national champs in the 800, another in the steeple, a guy who won Penn Relays mile in high school, and a 5th who ran 3:49, but while he was on the team with me when it was D3, he ran that time after they moved up to D2.
And you are imposing your viewpoint on the guy. He has steadily improved over the years and thinks he can continue to do so. The trend line for him has been good. Your di--head tendencies and immaturity are clouding your vision there, I think (I should add that I applaud your self-awareness and believe I share it - I'm not denying I can be a d--k sometimes myself).
My suggestion is that if everyone is such a hero, they got post this stuff on the guy's Instagram account, so we can each be held accountable for our words and opinions.
Hey@Smoove, thanks for the post. I always like your opinion.
Yeah, the trend for him has certainly been good and I'm not taking away from anything he's accomplished, just annoyed that he dismisses that his weight is holding him back from faster marathon times.
He's been improving as you pointed out, but the curve of improvement is flattening out and he isn't talented enough to run 2:30 with all of that muscle mass he has. If people disagree, I'd love to hear why you believe that. That's my entire viewpoint on this. It's not like he's a 2:24 guy training for fun and building a lot of muscle who goes out and jogs a 2:35. He's a guy who probably doesn't have the ability to run 2:32-33 in his current physical form, let alone under 2:30.
Look at my feathers wrote:
Smoove wrote:
By the way, Coevett, you are about as responsible as anyone for this guy having his reputation bashed here. You knew exactly what would happen when you created this thread, and you did so any way, just to troll. The only thing that makes better some of the others is that you at least didn't under your frequently used registered name.
I agree, but, as I am not invested at all in this, I think he's doing ok, actually. Yes, there is some speculation about drug use (note he's 28 not 40), but that makes him the same as any runner with any amount of success being talked about here. Has any "known" runner not been accused of doing drugs here? Maybe Sage? It's clear the guy wants to be talked about, I think overall this thread has been good publicity. I certainly didn't know he existed before. Not that I will "follow" him, or whatever people do (I don't have social media), but I did look him up and found his age, so, others may do more. As you know him you may have to ask him directly how he feels - I'd bet overall he's good with the attention (he is a bit of a peacock after all).
The only reason I thought he was 40 was because he mentioned in one of his posts that he was 'first in his age group' for the marathon he'd just ran.
I've seen his name mentioned here a few times lately and always negatively.
I have a similar physique and plan to race my 5k park runs next year without a vest. It would be funny when I come home first in the Tunbridge Wells park run in sub 18 if I get disqualificated because jelly LetsRun types lodge a complaint.
Coevett wrote:
Look at my feathers wrote:
I agree, but, as I am not invested at all in this, I think he's doing ok, actually. Yes, there is some speculation about drug use (note he's 28 not 40), but that makes him the same as any runner with any amount of success being talked about here. Has any "known" runner not been accused of doing drugs here? Maybe Sage? It's clear the guy wants to be talked about, I think overall this thread has been good publicity. I certainly didn't know he existed before. Not that I will "follow" him, or whatever people do (I don't have social media), but I did look him up and found his age, so, others may do more. As you know him you may have to ask him directly how he feels - I'd bet overall he's good with the attention (he is a bit of a peacock after all).
The only reason I thought he was 40 was because he mentioned in one of his posts that he was 'first in his age group' for the marathon he'd just ran.
I've seen his name mentioned here a few times lately and always negatively.
I have a similar physique and plan to race my 5k park runs next year without a vest. It would be funny when I come home first in the Tunbridge Wells park run in sub 18 if I get disqualificated because jelly LetsRun types lodge a complaint.
But have you run sub 25 yet?
That's huge progress from your other thread:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8681096Coevett wrote:
I have a similar physique and plan to race my 5k park runs next year without a vest. It would be funny when I come home first in the Tunbridge Wells park run in sub 18 if I get disqualificated because jelly LetsRun types lodge a complaint.
There weren't any "LetsRun types" commenting on this guy until you created this troll thread. Congratulations, you got several serious responses.