Woodbridge is about 15 seconds fast compared to a very hilly course, but thats the point. Woodbridge is great weather under the lights and flat. Not sure why you think it's short. It's 3 miles and clearly measured.
Woodbridge is about 15 seconds fast compared to a very hilly course, but thats the point. Woodbridge is great weather under the lights and flat. Not sure why you think it's short. It's 3 miles and clearly measured.
well actually wrote:
always wondered... wrote:
Thanks for the info... That is interesting. But often times I run the opposite direction on the track so the watch is on the outside of the turn... still the same issue...
Honestly, it makes no sense to me that GPS watches would react this way... should be the opposite.
GPS usually measures too long because when you run in a straight line it is not recording in a straight line. It will slightly zig zag down a straight path. Eventually this adds up. So usually people run shorter than what their GPS says.
yes and check Strava after the race and there will be several that have a 2.9.
Woodbridge isn't short. Weather in Costa Mesa is beautiful without wind. Add that with top of the state competition. I may be wrong about the new course (because it changes pretty regularly), but they do about a quarter mile on the track. They used to finish on the inside of the track. You put like 10 sub 4:10 kids on that course going head to head, they're gonna break 14. That's what happened blake haney's year.
Str8 Fax wrote:
Woodbridge isn't short. Weather in Costa Mesa is beautiful without wind. Add that with top of the state competition. I may be wrong about the new course (because it changes pretty regularly), but they do about a quarter mile on the track. They used to finish on the inside of the track. You put like 10 sub 4:10 kids on that course going head to head, they're gonna break 14. That's what happened blake haney's year.
You are several courses behind the times.
Twas there the last lots of years wrote:
Last year's course was 2.96 based on the average our team got with GPS watches. This year we got 2.99 average.
Most people who have never run Woodbridge don't understand because they run on legit cross country courses with hills, dirt, wet/tall grass, etc. Woodbridge is essentially a 3 mile, or 2.99 mile track race. If you look at what the kids have run for 3200 the previous season their times align perfectly for a 2.99 mile race on the track and that's what's happening. Also keep in mind most of these kids are training in hot weather during the day and then they go and race in much cooler weather in front of about 10,000 people in the dark. There is a ton of electricity in the air for the sweepstakes races and the course is every bit as fast a road race.
Is it short? If so, only by a few seconds. It's the overall atmosphere and racetrack course that pumps up the crazy fast times. Think of it this way, though. Add about 30 seconds to the boys times and you've got 14:31 for 5000. Is a 14:31 5000 on the track really unbelievable for some of the top boys in the nation? Absolutely not.
Kipchoge just ran that pace for almost 9 times the distance.
Isn't the course half on asphalt? It seems more like a flat road race than a track race. I know guys from my area who went down there would run about a minute faster on Woodbridge then they ran on the flat 5K race on dirt we had the week before.
What does Kipchoges time have to do with anything? I now run a marathon at a faster pace than I ran for X-Country 5Ks when I was a freshman in high school. Those two things hold little relevance. No suprise the best runner in the world can hold a fast pace way longer than the top US high schoolers.
3 miles = Woodbridge wrote:
I measured the course with a wheel last year from the inside and it was 3miles. Actually it was just a tad over 3miles. George (Race director) makes sure it is measured and has multiple people do this to make sure it's 3miles. Don't get me wrong they make sure its very fast and flat, but it's 100% 3 miles.
Wheels wobble all over the place and therefore are not accurate.
Plus I seriously doubt that you calibrated the wheel on a tape measured 1 kilometer straight.
Twas there the last lots of years wrote:
Last year's course was 2.96 based on the average our team got with GPS watches. This year we got 2.99 average.
Most people who have never run Woodbridge don't understand because they run on legit cross country courses with hills, dirt, wet/tall grass, etc. Woodbridge is essentially a 3 mile, or 2.99 mile track race. If you look at what the kids have run for 3200 the previous season their times align perfectly for a 2.99 mile race on the track and that's what's happening. Also keep in mind most of these kids are training in hot weather during the day and then they go and race in much cooler weather in front of about 10,000 people in the dark. There is a ton of electricity in the air for the sweepstakes races and the course is every bit as fast a road race.
Is it short? If so, only by a few seconds. It's the overall atmosphere and racetrack course that pumps up the crazy fast times. Think of it this way, though. Add about 30 seconds to the boys times and you've got 14:31 for 5000. Is a 14:31 5000 on the track really unbelievable for some of the top boys in the nation? Absolutely not.
Kipchoge just ran that pace for almost 9 times the distance.
So I’m going to guess it’s actually 2.95, making it 264 feet short.. ~ 15 seconds
Another dummy wrote:
3 miles = Woodbridge wrote:
I measured the course with a wheel last year from the inside and it was 3miles. Actually it was just a tad over 3miles. George (Race director) makes sure it is measured and has multiple people do this to make sure it's 3miles. Don't get me wrong they make sure its very fast and flat, but it's 100% 3 miles.
Wheels wobble all over the place and therefore are not accurate.
Plus I seriously doubt that you calibrated the wheel on a tape measured 1 kilometer straight.
The course is 3 miles. why do you cry about it?
"Wheels wobble all over the place and therefore are not accurate" - you are so wrong it's not even funny. it's actually sad.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Twas there the last lots of years wrote:
Last year's course was 2.96 based on the average our team got with GPS watches. This year we got 2.99 average.
Most people who have never run Woodbridge don't understand because they run on legit cross country courses with hills, dirt, wet/tall grass, etc. Woodbridge is essentially a 3 mile, or 2.99 mile track race. If you look at what the kids have run for 3200 the previous season their times align perfectly for a 2.99 mile race on the track and that's what's happening. Also keep in mind most of these kids are training in hot weather during the day and then they go and race in much cooler weather in front of about 10,000 people in the dark. There is a ton of electricity in the air for the sweepstakes races and the course is every bit as fast a road race.
Is it short? If so, only by a few seconds. It's the overall atmosphere and racetrack course that pumps up the crazy fast times. Think of it this way, though. Add about 30 seconds to the boys times and you've got 14:31 for 5000. Is a 14:31 5000 on the track really unbelievable for some of the top boys in the nation? Absolutely not.
Kipchoge just ran that pace for almost 9 times the distance.
Isn't the course half on asphalt? It seems more like a flat road race than a track race. I know guys from my area who went down there would run about a minute faster on Woodbridge then they ran on the flat 5K race on dirt we had the week before.
What does Kipchoges time have to do with anything? I now run a marathon at a faster pace than I ran for X-Country 5Ks when I was a freshman in high school. Those two things hold little relevance. No suprise the best runner in the world can hold a fast pace way longer than the top US high schoolers.
it's 95% grass and some dirt and they cross over the road.
3 miles = Woodbridge wrote:
it's 95% grass and some dirt and they cross over the road.
One should keep in mind not all grass is equal. Not even close in fact. The grass at Silverlakes is very firm. So much so that if you look at local reviews from the soccer teams that play there you'll often get complaints that the grass is too hard for them. Perfect for running super fast, but not much fun to slide on repeatedly.
Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:
3 miles = Woodbridge wrote:
it's 95% grass and some dirt and they cross over the road.
One should keep in mind not all grass is equal. Not even close in fact. The grass at Silverlakes is very firm. So much so that if you look at local reviews from the soccer teams that play there you'll often get complaints that the grass is too hard for them. Perfect for running super fast, but not much fun to slide on repeatedly.
This is true, but its 3 miles. :)
I'm looking forward to seeing how many of the boys may break 14, and how many of the girls may break 16 (there are a few girls who are capable......).
Short or not..... wrote:
I'm looking forward to seeing how many of the boys may break 14, and how many of the girls may break 16 (there are a few girls who are capable......).
Which boys can get under 14? Girls under 16?
If an entire team wore GPS watches and the average came out the course would most likely be in the 2.96 range due to tangents (13 -15 sec short) regardless, the course is lightning fast. More importantly, what is the fascination with cross country being exactly a certain distance. Who cares? The main thing Woodbridge delivers is great competition regardless of the distance.
Deer idiots. Your Garmin isnt a measuring device.
The course was only short in 2017 by about 12 seconds.
It's not short otherwise. No asphalt, just very firm fast grass. Massive festive atmosphere and nighttime lights.
I ran it backwards on Garmin and got 3.04
Crowd Sorcerer wrote:
8:40 3200 —> 13:37 3M
13:39 for Young is exactly where he should have been for a track-like 3M effort based on his track season’s fitness.
Young isn't listed any more.
What??? wrote:
Young isn't listed any more.
yes he is. 13:39
https://live.athletic.net/meets/4284/xc-events/172094/resultsWhen the results came in live it listed Young and then five minutes later he disappeared. About 30 minutes later he was still gone. Not sure what that was all about.