World Champion Emma Coburn Expresses Doubt that Beatrice Chepkoech's World Record in Steeple is Clean

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  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 3:41pm CDT
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    Emma Coburn: "I think it’s important to look at history and look at what happened with Ruth [Jebet] and I do think a woman can run 8:45, but I don’t think a woman can run 8:45 when for a whole season she runs 9 minutes and then runs 8:45. I don’t think that’s really possible. I think 9 minutes is still the holy grail of women’s steeplechase and I think that’s a time — that right under 9 minutes athletes can run clean, so hopefully there’s enough of us to get near that."

    When directly asked if she thought Chepkoech’s record was legitimate, Coburn said, “I shouldn’t comment because there is no proof to prove otherwise, but I think it’s important to look at trends and history of performances and where there’s big outliers we might need to pause.”

    When Coburn was asked what her comments on Chepkoech meant for the sport she said, “It means you have Courtney Frerichs, Emma Coburn, Hyvin Kiyeng, you have women that are consistently flirting with 9 minutes, that have been running that time for a few years and are in my opinion doing it the right way. I think there’s heroes in the event. I think we can continue to push the boundaries. Like I said, I think running under 8:50 is possible. I just think we can look at what happened with Ruth and maybe pause for a sec[ond] about it.”

    Full details and video of Coburn's comments at link below.

    http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/09/emma-coburn-expresses-doubt-beatrice-chepkoechs-world-record-clean/
  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 3:43pm CDT
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    Video set to start on Beatrice's record here:

    https://youtu.be/f9L9aGfXpRU?t=110s
  • Billy Mays here wait there's more
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 3:45pm CDT
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    Perhaps she is right and Alan Webb is the clean record holder in the mile.
  • stir the pot
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 3:48pm CDT
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    Of course, LRC would never print rumours about whether USA Westerners like Emma Coburn is "clean".
    How is it that a career non-champion is suddenly "World Champion" as an outlier to her trends and history of performances?
  • fixed + rigged
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 3:50pm CDT
    re: stir the pot
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    stir the pot wrote:

    Of course, LRC would never print rumours about whether USA Westerners like Emma Coburn is "clean".
    How is it that a career non-champion is suddenly "World Champion" as an outlier to her trends and history of performances?


    More likely IMO, the numerous Kenyans with better PBs were paid off to let her win. Everyone knows that shoe sponsors will give white USA women more money, so the new balance is attained.
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 3:55pm CDT
    re: stir the pot
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    stir the pot wrote:

    Of course, LRC would never print rumours about whether USA Westerners like Emma Coburn is "clean".
    How is it that a career non-champion is suddenly "World Champion" as an outlier to her trends and history of performances?


    If Beatrice Chepkoech came out and said what Emma Coburn said yesterday, you can be damn sure we'd run it on the front page.
  • rojo
    cofounder
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 3:57pm CDT
    re: stir the pot
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    stir the pot wrote:

    Of course, LRC would never print rumours about whether USA Westerners like Emma Coburn is "clean".
    How is it that a career non-champion is suddenly "World Champion" as an outlier to her trends and history of performances?


    Yeah, you are so so right. We never let people talk about doping with white Westerners (sarcasm). .

    Do you remember when we refused to let people talk about the David Epstein/ProPublica piece on Salazar and Rupp here?

    Oh wait, that didn't happen.

    The reality is people were talking about white runners from the West being doped on here from this site's earliest days. The site started in 2000. In 2002, I started coaching at Cornell and probably during the first month of practice, a freshman on the team from Oregon who worked with Salazar in HS came up to me and told me that Salazar hated me/LetsRun and the reasoning was we allowed people to talk about doping with Athletics West on here.
  • mmb
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:06pm CDT
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    Coburn picked the weakest event in track in which to specialize, then expresses doubt when someone with faster 1500/5000 times who can hurdle properly puts the record away for a while. Chepkoech's flat times are good, but not great. Coburn got lucky to win the WC. Just wait until someone with real talent tackles the steeplechase.
  • Easy Excuses
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:10pm CDT
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    fixed + rigged wrote:

    More likely IMO, the numerous Kenyans with better PBs were paid off to let her win. Everyone knows that shoe sponsors will give white USA women more money, so the new balance is attained.


    Could be a combination of the two.

    IAAF notifies Kenyan women they will be "tested" more scrutinily if they have issues with the tea price...(eg) Same race, USA white woman got #2nd place too. Can you calculate the odds?
  • running commenter
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    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:14pm CDT
    re: stir the pot
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    Do you remember this race? A LOT had to happen to put her in position to win, like Beth MISSING A BARRIER lol It wasn't flukey because of drugs, it was flukey because of all the athletes in the race who took themselves out of the running.
  • Semenyagoat
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:18pm CDT
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    I have doubt coburn is clean the usa have a history of doping and letting the few that get positives of the hook. Kissing, bad meat and so on. Very suspicious.
  • henrik
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    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:18pm CDT
    re: mmb
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    mmb wrote:
    Chepkoech's flat times are good, but not great. Coburn got lucky to win the WC. Just wait until someone with real talent tackles the steeplechase.


    Agree, women steeples record has a long way to go.
    Is it reasonable to compare men 3k vs 3ST, which is close to 30sec.

    8'06 (by a doper, but Komen's 7'20 is as crazy by his talent) should mean women should run 8'35 (?); their barriers are lower too, so maybe faster (?)
  • Phantasy Star
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:22pm CDT
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    All elite Kenyans and Ethiopians are doping. All. Would bett my house on it.
  • as expected
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:23pm CDT
    re: mmb
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    mmb wrote:

    Coburn picked the weakest event in track in which to specialize, then expresses doubt when someone with faster 1500/5000 times who can hurdle properly puts the record away for a while. Chepkoech's flat times are good, but not great. Coburn got lucky to win the WC. Just wait until someone with real talent tackles the steeplechase.


    and here come the doper apologists. Quickly to distract and come to denial.
  • Subway Surfers
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    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:43pm CDT
    re: Phantasy Star
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    Beatrice Chepkoech is managed by Jos and coached by Som, the same combo that brought us Aregawi.
  • BS Meter
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:44pm CDT
    re: rojo
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    rojo wrote:

    stir the pot wrote:

    Of course, LRC would never print rumours about whether USA Westerners like Emma Coburn is "clean".
    How is it that a career non-champion is suddenly "World Champion" as an outlier to her trends and history of performances?


    Yeah, you are so so right. We never let people talk about doping with white Westerners (sarcasm). .

    Do you remember when we refused to let people talk about the David Epstein/ProPublica piece on Salazar and Rupp here?

    Oh wait, that didn't happen.

    The reality is people were talking about white runners from the West being doped on here from this site's earliest days. The site started in 2000. In 2002, I started coaching at Cornell and probably during the first month of practice, a freshman on the team from Oregon who worked with Salazar in HS came up to me wand told me that Salazar hated me/LetsRun and the reasoning was we allowed people to talk about doping with Athletics West on here.
  • dunes runner
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    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:45pm CDT
    re: Jonathan Gault
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    Jonathan Gault wrote:

    If Beatrice Chepkoech came out and said what Emma Coburn said yesterday, you can be damn sure we'd run it on the front page.


    Thank goodness Beatrice Chepkoech does her running on the track, and has much more class than to say something shady like that.
  • Where's your house?
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:48pm CDT
    re: Phantasy Star
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    Phantasy Star wrote:

    All elite Kenyans and Ethiopians are doping. All. Would bet my house on it.


    If your house was something I'd want, then I'd take from you.
  • BS Meter
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:52pm CDT
    re: rojo
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    rojo wrote:

    stir the pot wrote:

    Of course, LRC would never print rumours about whether USA Westerners like Emma Coburn is "clean".
    How is it that a career non-champion is suddenly "World Champion" as an outlier to her trends and history of performances?


    Yeah, you are so so right. We never let people talk about doping with white Westerners (sarcasm). .

    Do you remember when we refused to let people talk about the David Epstein/ProPublica piece on Salazar and Rupp here?

    Oh wait, that didn't happen.

    The reality is people were talking about white runners from the West being doped on here from this site's earliest days. The site started in 2000. In 2002, I started coaching at Cornell and probably during the first month of practice, a freshman on the team from Oregon who worked with Salazar in HS came up to me wand told me that Salazar hated me/LetsRun and the reasoning was we allowed people to talk about doping with Athletics West on here.


    ROJO,

    There weren't any freshman from Oregon on the roster in 2002. Were you talking about Andrew Boone or Max King?

    https://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?roster=754&path=mcross

    The first Oregonians you would have coached would have been Sage or Joe Walsh in 2004-2005.

    https://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?roster=758&path=mcross

    And good job giving us enough info to DOX them.
  • BS Meter
    1 year ago 09/10/2018 4:53pm CDT
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    Excuse, the first freshman from Oregon