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None, it just takes hard work,consistency and patience.
It takes 32.48 talents.
A lot relative to the general population.
Many people couldn't even sprint that fast after a decade of training with Bolt and a Grizzly Bear in pursuit.
Top 8% wrote:
A lot relative to the general population.
Many people couldn't even sprint that fast after a decade of training with Bolt and a Grizzly Bear in pursuit.
That’s so stupid and false.
It takes a great deal of talent to break 17 minutes. Many HS teams have only one guy who runs that fast.
Predictor wrote:
It takes a great deal of talent to break 17 minutes. Many HS teams have only one guy who runs that fast.
Check out Washington State!
It takes no talent to break 18 for a boy, unless your Samoan.
For sub-18 5K, about sub-5:05 1500m speed and stamina; for sub-17:00 5K, about sub-4:40 1500m speed and stamina.
Tfm wrote:
Top 8% wrote:
A lot relative to the general population.
Many people couldn't even sprint that fast after a decade of training with Bolt and a Grizzly Bear in pursuit.
That’s so stupid and false.
Found the 25 minute guy.
Wayzata is one of the premier programs in the country. The coaches are very good. They had over 60 guys not break 18 minutes in their meet last week.
MN knows all wrote:
Wayzata is one of the premier programs in the country. The coaches are very good. They had over 60 guys not break 18 minutes in their meet last week.
There's a name for those boys: wimps.
Sand Dunes wrote:
None, it just takes hard work,consistency and patience.
How many high schoolers have these traits tho? Most aren't that dedicated, many don't have the talent to break 18 even with training
If a HS has 1000 students and you promised to bring in a professional coach and reward the students with $10k for breaking 18 minutes and $5k for breaking 19 minutes, my prediction is that you would get 10 students at sub 18 and another 20 at sub 19. Those are totals for girls and boys so about 1% under 18 and 3% total under 19. Those times therefore require much talent.
I broke 18 as a sophomore and broke 17 as a senior. I have very little talent. My freshmen year I spent most of the season in high 21s and low 22s but ran a 20:26 last meet of the season. I ran everyday that winter for maybe 35-40 mpw and improved a lot in track. That summer I ran 45 mpw all summer and added 90 min long runs and improved a ton to 17:44 that season. Had a rough junior year from overtraining. Summer before senior year I ran 60 mpw and improved like crazy again and ran 16:53.
Hopefully, that helps a little. Basically just add 90 min long runs and increased weekly mileage and that'll do most of the work for you. You don't need much talent, you just need the hard work.
Also, I had a 2:20 800m and 4:48 1500m PR if that help articulate my lack of talent.
I was a sprinter/football player that ran 17:52 on a pancake xc course. I ran the race as a bet, with no xc/distance training. My track coach still owes me a steak dinner.
Top 8% wrote:
A lot relative to the general population.
Many people couldn't even sprint that fast after a decade of training with Bolt and a Grizzly Bear in pursuit.
Not true at all. If you have decent coaching in high school 18 is very easy. Almost every guy on our team could by at some point during high school if they tried and its not like the guys on the high school cross team were all super talented. 17 is a little tougher but on a fast course at least a third if not half of guys were able to.
Where are these teams? 90% of the thousands of teams have nobody under 18 minutes. It was pointed out that one of the best coached teams in the country has 60 guys running slower. Providing a bit of anecdotal evidence sort of proves that it requires talent instead of training. HS coaches reading this should chime in.
I think it takes some talent. Out of my entire high school cross country team.. only one runner could go sub-18(he was sub-17 and went on to run track/XC at BYU) and I was the second fastest with a PR of 18:06. I probably did not optimize my training back then though as I just ran a 17:05 in warm weather (26 years after high school) and feel I can go sub-17 with better weather.