I noticed Americans and athletes of American coaches can’t handle fast pace races unlike Kenyans and Ethiopians. Are they all trained only to be sit and kickers? Is this some kind of an American school of thought?
I noticed Americans and athletes of American coaches can’t handle fast pace races unlike Kenyans and Ethiopians. Are they all trained only to be sit and kickers? Is this some kind of an American school of thought?
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Hddbh wrote:
I noticed Americans and athletes of American coaches can’t handle fast pace races unlike Kenyans and Ethiopians. Are they all trained only to be sit and kickers? Is this some kind of an American school of thought?
Yes, our two top groups (coached by Schumacher and Salazar) have this weird belief that the Olympics and World Championships events are the most important events. As a result, they train their athletes specifically for the skills that those events require. It’s almost like they think their piles of medals are better than a fast time here or there. Weirdos.
GBohannon wrote:
Hddbh wrote:
I noticed Americans and athletes of American coaches can’t handle fast pace races unlike Kenyans and Ethiopians. Are they all trained only to be sit and kickers? Is this some kind of an American school of thought?
Yes, our two top groups (coached by Schumacher and Salazar) have this weird belief that the Olympics and World Championships events are the most important events. As a result, they train their athletes specifically for the skills that those events require. It’s almost like they think their piles of medals are better than a fast time here or there. Weirdos.
Tipical let’s runner poster:
Something something medals are more important than fast times the purpose is to win (slowly as possible) something something something
Hdfbh wrote:
GBohannon wrote:
Yes, our two top groups (coached by Schumacher and Salazar) have this weird belief that the Olympics and World Championships events are the most important events. As a result, they train their athletes specifically for the skills that those events require. It’s almost like they think their piles of medals are better than a fast time here or there. Weirdos.
Tipical let’s runner poster:
Something something medals are more important than fast times the purpose is to win (slowly as possible) something something something
Well the purpose IS to win. Nothing in the rules says anything about requiring a certain pace.
In basketball, do you care about winning, or is scoring so important that you should wear yourself out trying to rack up points?
GBohannon wrote:
Yes, our two top groups (coached by Schumacher and Salazar) have this weird belief that the Olympics and World Championships events are the most important events. As a result, they train their athletes specifically for the skills that those events require. It’s almost like they think their piles of medals are better than a fast time here or there. Weirdos.
In America the marketability of athletes, and hence the sponsorship money, comes from Olympic and World Championship success. Olympic Silver Medalist sells far more boxes of cereal than Has Run Four of the Ten Fastest Times in History. That's what works in the USA and so that is what they target. Tactical races rather than flat out last man standing races.
It is interesting to speculate what would happen if the Olympics introduced pace setters. I'm not suggesting they should, but it would significantly change the approach in the USA.
You've never heard of Ben True?
Hddbh wrote:
I noticed Americans and athletes of American coaches can’t handle fast pace races unlike Kenyans and Ethiopians. Are they all trained only to be sit and kickers? Is this some kind of an American school of thought?
I noticed recently that you seem to struggle in sub-13 pace races? Why is that? Is there something wrong with your training? Are you mentally weak? It just doesn't make sense to me. Why don't you just run faster?
800 dude wrote:
Hddbh wrote:
I noticed Americans and athletes of American coaches can’t handle fast pace races unlike Kenyans and Ethiopians. Are they all trained only to be sit and kickers? Is this some kind of an American school of thought?
I noticed recently that you seem to struggle in sub-13 pace races? Why is that? Is there something wrong with your training? Are you mentally weak? It just doesn't make sense to me. Why don't you just run faster?
Tipical white American let’s runner:
Something something can you run sub 13?....something something
Why don't YOU go out there and show them how it's done, OP!
Hddbh wrote:
I noticed Americans and athletes of American coaches can’t handle fast pace races unlike Kenyans and Ethiopians. Are they all trained only to be sit and kickers? Is this some kind of an American school of thought?
Kicking off a slow pace and being in PR shape are the same skills. There is no way to train for one but not the other.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Kicking off a slow pace and being in PR shape are the same skills. There is no way to train for one but not the other.
1980 Summer Olympics. Roughly half of the world's best 800 metres runners were not in Moscow. S. Coe did not have the training nor the skill to win an 800 metres race while he passed first 400 metres in roughly 55 seconds. Coe had to struggle to get past 1:45.xx 800 metres man, Nikolay Kirov in order to get a silver. Coe, at the time had the skill only to do well in 800 metres time trials.
Oh really? wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Kicking off a slow pace and being in PR shape are the same skills. There is no way to train for one but not the other.
1980 Summer Olympics. Roughly half of the world's best 800 metres runners were not in Moscow. S. Coe did not have the training nor the skill to win an 800 metres race while he passed first 400 metres in roughly 55 seconds. Coe had to struggle to get past 1:45.xx 800 metres man, Nikolay Kirov in order to get a silver. Coe, at the time had the skill only to do well in 800 metres time trials.
Well, we were talking about the 5000. Do you think a 13:00 runner, who somehow trained to focus on a kick, would have an advantage over a guy who could run 12:50, if they were kicking off of 13:10 pace?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Well, we were talking about the 5000. Do you think a 13:00 runner, who somehow trained to focus on a kick, would have an advantage over a guy who could run 12:50, if they were kicking off of 13:10 pace?
I do not know how often men or women with a ten second 5K PB differential prevail? Please note: Brendan Foster set Olympic Record, 5000m, 1976 in his heat then came in fifth in 1976 5000m final. Dick Quax roughly was a four second superior 5000m man to Lasse Viren. Lasse Viren prevailed even though Viren always had inferior foot speed to Dick Quax. Viren was a seasoned veteran. Viren knew how to prevail over the final 300 &/or 700 metres.
Matt Centrowitz is just the most talented of an entire generation of Sit and Kick fuccbois from the Dyestat era
SDSU Aztec. Your comments about Coe and the Moscow 800 are the most stupid and uninformed of any I’ve seen in a long time. Watch any of the Coe/Ovett documentaries to see the reasons why he failed to do his running.
Hddbh wrote:
I noticed Americans and athletes of American coaches can’t handle fast pace races unlike Kenyans and Ethiopians. Are they all trained only to be sit and kickers? Is this some kind of an American school of thought?
epo accusations aside, i've noticed that most americans from the high school level up train to win sit and kick type races. they tend to have a lot of speed and enough endurance to kick off a decent pace. that's whey when someone like josh kerr shows up on the scene he smokes everyone in sight.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Hddbh wrote:
I noticed Americans and athletes of American coaches can’t handle fast pace races unlike Kenyans and Ethiopians. Are they all trained only to be sit and kickers? Is this some kind of an American school of thought?
Kicking off a slow pace and being in PR shape are the same skills. There is no way to train for one but not the other.
Nick Willis would disagree with you. He said in an interview that if he wants to go for a fast time, he has to do it earlier in the season before he starts specifically training for a sprint finish if it's a championship year. He said that if he trains for his sprint it hurts his ability to maintain a fast pace.
Gocoe wrote:
SDSU Aztec. Your comments about Coe and the Moscow 800 are the most stupid and uninformed of any I’ve seen in a long time. Watch any of the Coe/Ovett documentaries to see the reasons why he failed to do his running.
I didn't comment on Coe/Ovett.
Oh really? wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Well, we were talking about the 5000. Do you think a 13:00 runner, who somehow trained to focus on a kick, would have an advantage over a guy who could run 12:50, if they were kicking off of 13:10 pace?
I do not know how often men or women with a ten second 5K PB differential prevail? Please note: Brendan Foster set Olympic Record, 5000m, 1976 in his heat then came in fifth in 1976 5000m final. Dick Quax roughly was a four second superior 5000m man to Lasse Viren. Lasse Viren prevailed even though Viren always had inferior foot speed to Dick Quax. Viren was a seasoned veteran. Viren knew how to prevail over the final 300 &/or 700 metres.
Virin never ran races for time and was only at his best in 72 and 76 so his PRe were misleading. I would argue that he was in 13:10/27:25 shape for both Olympics.