Is East African Distance Runnng Superiority a myth & actually fuelled by EPO

The fact that the hanful of Kenyans who come to our universities and become US citizens and then make up the bulk of our global champs teams is strong evidence that Kenyan superiority is just a myth.

Unless they are doping while in the US surely this is evidence that there is something to the idea of African superiority?

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Too many doping cases to list but the cat is out of the bag.

You’re probably not an actual coach. Definitely a racist though.

There are a plethora of studies highlighting the reasons East Africans enjoy distance running success. Maybe try and read a few peer reviewed articles rather than blaming EPO to fuel your racism.

yes,lots of epo,and low doses of cutting steroids.all the kenyans,ethiopians,ugandans,moroccans,algerians and eritreans are on something.theyre not micro dosing either,but rather theyre on strong doses,and they usually dont get caught.all elite athletes are on drug programs,no matter where theyre from,although ive noticed a lot of western and african countries can dope their athletes to the gills,and they never (or rarely)get caught.either the testing is inadequate,or something under handed, corrupt and foul is going on.i suspect its the latter.take one look at US sprinter ronnie baker,and youll see somethings not right.hes on huge doses of steroids,yet we're expected to believe hes "clean".

milermb wrote:

Unless they are doping while in the US surely this is evidence that there is something to the idea of African superiority?

And unless they were doping back in Kenya as teens, and continue to dope when they return home, and were perhaps lying about their age to get into college in the first place (i.e were older), not to mention taking advantage of the American college roiding scene.

Or maybe Chris Froome proves that white guys are simply better aerobic and endurance athletes than native Kenyans.

You’re a muppet wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Too many doping cases to list but the cat is out of the bag.

You’re probably not an actual coach. Definitely a racist though.

There are a plethora of studies highlighting the reasons East Africans enjoy distance running success. Maybe try and read a few peer reviewed articles rather than blaming EPO to fuel your racism.

Lol. Only on this board can you be accused of racism for denying the genetic superiority of one race over another.

Titsi wrote:

The fact that the hanful of Kenyans who come to our universities and become US citizens and then make up the bulk of our global champs teams is strong evidence that Kenyan superiority is just a myth.

Big surprise that Kenyans with an unverified age training full time for years manage to beat some 18 year olds.

It's just like saying Americans are naturally the best rowers because they often get feature in the Oxford Cambridge boat race. They see drafted specially because they are the too American rowers.

I think probably only 10% of Kenyans and Ethiopians are doping. Unfortunately half of those are the best ones!

Foreign agents have also corrupted young athletes.

Yes.

I think a good percentage of Kenyans are doping. I think Coevett and company are clearly racists. These concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Titsi wrote:

The fact that the hanful of Kenyans who come to our universities and become US citizens and then make up the bulk of our global champs teams is strong evidence that Kenyan superiority is just a myth.

Big surprise that Kenyans with an unverified age training full time for years manage to beat some 18 year olds.

It's just like saying Americans are naturally the best rowers because they often get feature in the Oxford Cambridge boat race. They see drafted specially because they are the too American rowers.

I think probably only 10% of Kenyans and Ethiopians are doping. Unfortunately half of those are the best ones!

Foreign agents have also corrupted young athletes.

Yes Foreign agents have corrupted young athletes, but 10%? Less than 1% a lot less.

East African elite level runners are vastly superior in numbers. By statistical probability alone they will dominate. Add to this the fact that they train in big groups which both compete with and support each other, you have a recipe for success which is sustainable and very effective.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

I think probably only 10% of Kenyans and Ethiopians are doping.

Seriously? Do you really think Kenyans and Ethiopians are that much cleaner than the rest of the athletes with worldwide at least 44% of dopers?

It should be clear by now that the Kenyans belong to the dirtier nations. That was already obvious when Seppelt's discoveries were numerically analyzed here on letsrun several years ago.

2hr35801hfg3 wrote:

It's quite plausible that virtually every Kenyan elite runner is doping.

You can't possibly believe that?

it ain't that complicated wrote:

I think a good percentage of Kenyans are doping. I think Coevett and company are clearly racists. These concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

+1

Add in the legit advantage from running so much from a young age, and absurd numbers of people training professionally, and it'd be amazing if they weren't dominating.

You’re a dick wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Lol. Only on this board can you be accused of racism for denying the genetic superiority of one race over another.

Lol at you. You’re clearly stupid as well as child molester.

+1

This guy bullies oppressed Kenyans like Konchellah for drugging and raping kids, yet he gets excited about a once in a lifetime talent. Clearly both a racist and paedophile.

#FREEKONCHELLAH

#FREEKIPROP

#THEDRUGSDONTWORK

#VIVALAREPUBLICA

casual obsever wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

I think probably only 10% of Kenyans and Ethiopians are doping.

Seriously? Do you really think Kenyans and Ethiopians are that much cleaner than the rest of the athletes with worldwide at least 44% of dopers?

It should be clear by now that the Kenyans belong to the dirtier nations. That was already obvious when Seppelt's discoveries were numerically analyzed here on letsrun several years ago.

Yes it is intriguing to see where all this goes next, parts of Kenyan Athletics have been exposed with the blow torch but it has yet to be pointed properly at Ethiopia. For many years I did believe that they might be genetically superior, but it looks more and more like many of their talented athletes got a way with rampant doping in a void (though not the only place). I was always suspicious of Geb, he could come out in the first race of the season and break a world record, at the time not knowing much about epo but knowing he had a Dutch manager, I always believed he was doing transfusions. Bekele was even worse, and the way his fiancée died was such an obvious cover up. When Komen broke records, he was obviously juiced to the eyeballs. It is actually comical for Kiptanui and Komen to criticise current runners and say there is a doping problem now and they aren't training hard enough. Just imagine how corrupt the sport would be without Seppelt's revelations?

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Too many doping cases to list but the cat is out of the bag.

Running performance, like height leading to success in basketball, comes down to some physiological traits one cannot train.

Some parts of Africa people are predisposed to these physical traits, such as long Achilles tendons, being skinny, leg to torso ratios etc.

White runners can also be born with these traits such as Coe or Evan Jager. There's nothing different about Africans genetically which means top white runners can't compete.

There are less top white runners in my opinion because distance running isn't a very popular sport in USA/UK/EU which is taken seriously or makes much money and because white Europeans are more likely to be born with other genetic traits such as being tall or naturally strong which helps in other sports.

Coevett wrote:

You’re a muppet wrote:

You’re probably not an actual coach. Definitely a racist though.

There are a plethora of studies highlighting the reasons East Africans enjoy distance running success. Maybe try and read a few peer reviewed articles rather than blaming EPO to fuel your racism.

Lol. Only on this board can you be accused of racism for denying the genetic superiority of one race over another.

The Kenyans are a randomized people who exist within a randomized environment, and those conditions happen to produce better runners.

EPO is not a performance enhancer, nor is any type of blood boosting.

We have bioenergetic limits due to heat production, thermoregulatory limits, which can't be exceeded. by training or with drugs. This is actually basic physiology. But you won't find any physiologist on this website who either knows this or cares.

As I have pointed out many times, but people don't want to hear it, Lance Armstrong's power outputs were in the normal range for an elite cyclist regardless of how much doping he did. They want to believe in magic potions giving super human power. It's like the belief that alchohol makes you happy, it's social conditioning, a construct.

The power outputs attributed to EPO doped cyclists has been greatly exaggerated, because people want a mythology. But there are millions of data points showing the reality that all of the hype about so called PEDs is just hype and mythologising.

But that's what people want; a mythology.

Who here really belives that any young Kenyan showing great ability really needs any drugs to be world class?