I understand scepticism and some of it is warranted, especially regarding athletes who have giant leaps in PR's in a short amount of time (MO, Mak...etc) But assuming that someone is a drug cheat shouldn't be the assumption for anyone who has ever run a fast time . It dilutes the achievements of these pro's so much , wake the f*** up to yourselves
Guilty until proven innocent, just like the American justice system.
Mo Farah didn't make a huge jump in PRS, that is more myth/perception.
Mo Farah:
1500m progression
2017 3:34.19 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 18 MAY 2017
2016 3:31.74 Monaco (MON) 15 JUL 2016
2015 3:28.93 Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015
2013 3:28.81 Monaco (MON) 19 JUL 2013
2012 3:34.66 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 18 MAY 2012
2009 3:33.98 Monaco (MON) 28 JUL 2009
2008 3:39.66 Birmingham (GBR) 13 JUL 2008
2007 3:46.50 Birmingham (GBR) 07 JUL 2007
2006 3:38.02 Rieti (ITA) 27 AUG 2006
2005 3:38.62 Zürich (SUI) 19 AUG 2005
2003 3:43.17 Eton (GBR) 14 JUN 2003
2002 3:47.78 Watford (GBR) 28 AUG 2002
2001 3:46.41 Watford (GBR) 27 MAY 2001
2000 3:49.60
Mo Farah 3000m progression:
2017 7:35.15 London (GBR) 09 JUL 2017
2016 7:32.62 Birmingham (GBR) 05 JUN 2016
2015 7:34.66 London (GBR) 24 JUL 2015
2013 7:36.85 London (GBR) 27 JUL 2013
2011 7:40.15 London (GBR) 05 AUG 2011
2010 7:40.75 London (GBR) 13 AUG 2010
2009 7:39.02 Torino (ITA) 04 JUN 2009
2008 7:39.55 Monaco (MON) 29 JUL 2008
2007 7:41.86 Zürich (SUI) 07 SEP 2007
2006 7:38.15 Zagreb (CRO) 31 AUG 2006
2005 8:17.28 Firenze (ITA) 19 JUN 2005
2001 8:09.24 Loughborough (GBR) 20 MAY 2001
2000 8:03.58 Cardiff (GBR) 05 JUL 2000
1999 8:16.18 Neubrandenburg (GER) 21 AUG 1999
1998 8:33.51 Ayr (GBR) 18 JUL 1998
1997 8:47.48
Mo Farah 5000m progression:
2017 13:00.70 Eugene, OR (USA) 27 MAY 2017
2016 12:59.29 London (GBR) 23 JUL 2016
2015 13:11.77 Lausanne (SUI) 09 JUL 2015
2014 13:23.42 Portland, OR (USA) 15 JUN 2014
2013 13:05.88 Eugene, OR (USA) 01 JUN 2013
2012 12:56.98 Eugene, OR (USA) 02 JUN 2012
2011 12:53.11 Monaco (MON) 22 JUL 2011
2010 12:57.94 Zürich (SUI) 19 AUG 2010
2009 13:09.14 London (GBR) 24 JUL 2009
2008 13:08.11 Bruxelles (BEL) 05 SEP 2008
2007 13:07.00 Bruxelles (BEL) 14 SEP 2007
2006 13:09.40 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 22 JUL 2006
2005 13:30.53 Solihull (GBR) 25 JUN 2005
2003 13:38.41 London (GBR) 08 AUG 2003
2001 13:56.31 Solihull (GBR) 23 JUN 2001
2000 14:05.72
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/great-britain-ni/mohamed-farah-179892
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You don’t call 3:33 to 3:28 a big jump? And more to the point, Farah went from a perennial also-ran in championships to a dominant force seemingly overnight and not at a young age. Looking only at his PRs is misleading as he barely ever chased times, hence why his best times are rather for pedestrian for someone with his record. There’s a chance he was clean and Al Sal just helped him put it all together, but gun to my head I’m definitely not buying it.
And to respond to the OP, yes it’s sad and people can jump to conclusions too quickly (myself included). However, in a sport riddled with doping it’s only natural to raise a brow to crazy performances and huge improvements out of nowhere. You’re out of your mind if you don’t think some big names are doping right now and it does a huge disservice to their fellow competitors and the sport as a whole. If we all blindly accept everything at face value we’ll inevitably end up with a freak show where everyone is doped to the gills. Some would be fine with that, and at least it’d be honest, but I think most would rather watch athletes push their limits without PEDs.
staminat93 wrote:
... But assuming that someone is a drug cheat shouldn't be the assumption for anyone who has ever run a fast time . ...
Why not? EPO was not tested for for several years when these fast times were occurring. Even when a test was developed, it did not control EPO use. There was no stigma against it; no reason why a competitive runner wouldn't want to take it to succeed. We see the prevalence of drugs in sport from revelations coming from law enforcement, but WADA testing can't find use on its own. Why assume that runners are staying clean in this circumstance?
The evidence doesn't point to any specific person using any specific drugs, but it does point to the fact that the starting assumption of many fans is just wrong and naive. The evidence points to a widely available, accessible, and encouraged practice of doping.
I guess because it's an American website
Because we can read:
Because athletes have been doping for a long time:
Because this is not our first rodeo:
The truth can be found in the documentaries and testimonials from people who are/were associated with assisting athletes to dope.
Ever heard of Memo??
You cannot be an elite athlete and be clean.
Reason # 3 wrote:
Because athletes have been doping for a long time:
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/sports/22hammer.html
Good spotting ?
But assuming that someone is a drug cheat shouldn't be the assumption for anyone who has ever run a fast time . It dilutes the achievements of these pro's so much , wake the f*** up to yourselves
for me it has nothing to do with jumps in pr's. I've spent 30 years analysing athletics progressions and have an extensive database built for that specific purpose and there is no smoking gun in there. some folk have huge leaps, some make smooth progress. some go up and down, some plateau, then jump up. there is nothing to see here.
the reason I assume cheating is because I got sick and tired of spending money to go and watch championships, and then six months or a year down the line I have to re-set my memory of what I saw that day because athlete x, y, or z got busted for drugs. then they appealed. then that was appealed and in the end, sometimes years after the event, what I actually saw in the stadium becomes irrelevant and the result of the race is decided in a court of law.
when you find yourself discarding your own memory of what happened and instead trying to decide who won a race based on what may or may not have been inside an athlete's toothpaste tube, then there is pretty obviously, as they say in theatre, something rotten in Denmark.
in Rio they had ceremonies to award medals to folk for races they ran EIGHT YEARS before. the blow-back from drug-cheat Asbel Kiprop's disqualification has not yet started and Nick Willis has been quoted as rubbing his hands with glee because he's going to get promoted. the response from him should be an abject condemantion of the authorities who allowed this to happen, who have consistently shown no stomach for fighting the cheats, who have persistently resisted the obvious solution to make a lifetime ban the punishment for a first offence.
it is pretty obvious to me that those at the top of the relevant organisations are only in it for the money and all their meaningless hand-wringing and mealy mouthed platitudes are nothing more than window dressing for the ignorant dullards who want their share of the pie and play along until they get caught.
I literally loathe and detest every single one of them and everything they pretend to stand for because of the way they have allowed money to ruin the sport I love. and that goes from Seb Coe on down, including WADA, who recently admitted they cannot defend their decisions when appropriately challenged in a court of law.
and as for your laughable assertion that this "dilutes the achievements of these's pro's," do you honestly think it is possible to dilute any further the achievements of the drugs cheat Marion Jones, or the drugs cheat Asbel Kiprop, or any of the hundreds of other drugs cheats listed on the Wikipedia page just for the one sport of track and field athletics (link below). my heart does not bleed for them or their tainted valueless reputation.
I would like to think that Sydney McLaughlin is clean. I would like to think that Melissa Bishop is clean and that Laura Muir is clean, and that Chris O'Hare is clean. but I'm also aware that I'm a fallible human being and my judgement is as likely to be as wrong on this as it is on anythng else. therefore, rather than draw a line that does nothing but highlight my own bias, I assume they are all cheats, because there is no legitimate motivation for them not to be so.
cheers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athleticsPointing the finger at innocent athletes who succeed in achieving their goals hurts the sport.
staminat93 wrote:
I understand scepticism and some of it is warranted, especially regarding athletes who have giant leaps in PR's in a short amount of time (MO, Mak...etc) But assuming that someone is a drug cheat shouldn't be the assumption for anyone who has ever run a fast time . It dilutes the achievements of these pro's so much , wake the f*** up to yourselves
It's called trolling. Welcome to the internet.
He also drastically changed his training and Bekele and Kipchoge dropped from the scene while Lagat got old.
We live in a doping culture. People have naive views about the efficacy of drugs and a lacl of belief in their own potential.
"Everyone faster than me is on drugs. Everyone slower than me is a hobby jogger".
-Everyone on letsrun.
The sport has a history of doping among athletes that produce too-good-to-be-true performances.
Also, people are jealous they can't run as fast.
And some other people are racist and don't like to believe that Africans and people of African ancestry can run faster than their white heroes.