I've heard that the shoes basically die after racing one marathon. Is this true? Because of this, I haven't worn them yet, and saving them for race-day... however I would like to do at least 1 semi-hard long run (20-22 miles ~7 minute pace on crushed limestone) in them before racing in them. Does anyone have thoughts/experience with the shoe's performance dropping off after a few runs?
If it makes a difference, I'm 5'2 and weigh about 118 lbs
I’d say 200 miles and the cushioning is fine. With my pairs, it’s the uppers that have the issues, with my big toe coming through. However, it’s because of my toe position/structure and this happens even with my training shoes
curious carl wrote:
I've heard that the shoes basically die after racing one marathon. Is this true? Because of this, I haven't worn them yet, and saving them for race-day... however I would like to do at least 1 semi-hard long run (20-22 miles ~7 minute pace on crushed limestone) in them before racing in them. Does anyone have thoughts/experience with the shoe's performance dropping off after a few runs?
If it makes a difference, I'm 5'2 and weigh about 118 lbs
Occasionally .
I'm at 750kms, using them purely for tempo runs since 100km, still in great condition
Mighty Vegemite wrote:
I'm at 750kms, using them purely for tempo runs since 100km, still in great condition
Why'd you demote them after 100km?
nike makes TERRIBLE uppers. For some people they last forever, for most they rip before 200 miles. The sad thing is nike makes the best shaped shoes and the best soles in the market right now.
Kvothe wrote:
nike makes TERRIBLE uppers. For some people they last forever, for most they rip before 200 miles. The sad thing is nike makes the best shaped shoes and the best soles in the market right now.
I've heard of you put duct tape or shoe armor inside where they typically rip will solve the problem.
Going to try this on my next LTs when I start training again. I'm lucky to get 100 before my foot is hanging through.
Saywhat2banthis wrote:
Kvothe wrote:
nike makes TERRIBLE uppers. For some people they last forever, for most they rip before 200 miles. The sad thing is nike makes the best shaped shoes and the best soles in the market right now.
I've heard of you put duct tape or shoe armor inside where they typically rip will solve the problem.
Going to try this on my next LTs when I start training again. I'm lucky to get 100 before my foot is hanging through.
I've never had an upper tear on any of my shoes. Are your shoes too tight or loose?
Gravy wrote:
Saywhat2banthis wrote:
I've heard of you put duct tape or shoe armor inside where they typically rip will solve the problem.
Going to try this on my next LTs when I start training again. I'm lucky to get 100 before my foot is hanging through.
I've never had an upper tear on any of my shoes. Are your shoes too tight or loose?
Id imagine tight, I have wide feet and it typically rips at the side of my pinkie toe.
Ive went up 1 full size and same issue. Ive just accepted it.
Running is my hobby and $60ish dollars is a small price to pay to enjoy a great shoe like the LTs.
Obviously Nike makes shoes the wear out easily on purpose so you buy their shoes more often. They don’t care about runners, that’s why you always go Asics or brooks.
Djig wrote:
Obviously Nike makes shoes the wear out easily on purpose so you buy their shoes more often. They don’t care about runners, that’s why you always go Asics or brooks.
And when Asics and Brooks makes a comparable line of shoes we can mention them but they arent even in the same line of discussion for lightweight racers.
1. zoomx is pebax foam
2. pebax foam is one of the least durable cushioning technologies at the cost of having the most energy return
3. reebok's floatride is pebax foam
4. the floatride run fast pro is meant to last only one marathon
therefore, the vaporfly is probably only good for occasional workouts leading up to one marathon, and then to be replaced. i think you should be good but don't expect them to feel quite the same after that
fjislkjfiejf wrote:
Mighty Vegemite wrote:
I'm at 750kms, using them purely for tempo runs since 100km, still in great condition
Why'd you demote them after 100km?
Not as responsive after 1xHalf and 2xFull marathons
Zante wrote:
1. zoomx is pebax foam
2. pebax foam is one of the least durable cushioning technologies at the cost of having the most energy return
3. reebok's floatride is pebax foam
4. the floatride run fast pro is meant to last only one marathon
therefore, the vaporfly is probably only good for occasional workouts leading up to one marathon, and then to be replaced. i think you should be good but don't expect them to feel quite the same after that
Agreed on all points. Nike I believe said themselves it is good for about 4 marathons so 100ish miles. They recommended the Zoom Fly for training.
Currently have two pair. One has 200 miles and is still good for workouts. Used the first pair for a few half marathons and a marathon plus short workouts. Second pair has about 50 miles on it and a few races. I don’t really notice a huge difference between the two, except for the fact that the newest pair has a bit more pop in the forefoot. I’d say my first pair is probably good to workout in for at least another 100-200 miles.
My first pair lasted 450 miles before they started irritating my knees. I think the carbon plate wore down or got slightly bent.
Second pair slightly lost bounce/response past 200 miles, but perfectly fine for training.
Seems they last about 150 miles for racing (important races) and further 400-600 miles for training.
Upper is perfectly fine, but I never had problem with that on any shoes.
Why would people believe that the peg turbo will last for lots of training miles? I've heard on those threads that the ZoomX lasts forever and it's the upper on the 4% the fails first. But here, you guys with experience, say the ZoomX is not the same after 150-200 miles. Just putting an air pocket in the ZoomX doesn't change that.
In VF, the ZoomX works together with the carob fiber plate for "propulsion". And I think it's the latter that loses its spring before the ZoomX does.
Longevity on ZoomX on its own (Peg Turbo) remains to be seen
I wouldn't say they die after one marathon. Mine have 135 mi on them, including one marathon and a couple shorter races, and they still feel great. At 25 lbs. heavier than you I probably punish them a little more under ordinary use. They show more wear than I'd like, with a touch of slightly ragged bare foam showing on the outer corners of the heel, plus the characteristic wrinkles/apparent crushing of the midsole that you just have to get used to. The shoe has a very thin rubbery casing like a sausage around the ZoomX that abrades easily, and they might look pretty ratty around the edges after a run on limestone. Guessing this is one reason they went with a protective cover of React on the sides and beneath the ZoomX on the Pegasus Turbo.
Nike of course wants you to buy a pair of Zoom Fly for training and Vaporfly for racing. I did that but never liked the Fly too well. Some people say they have a fast feel but that was not my experience. They lasted ok, 375 miles, but I was more than ready to let them go at 300. The Vaporfly I will definitely buy again.
I never had a problem with Nike uppers except the Streak 4. They put a thin, single-layer mesh on those on the medial side that tore right open after maybe 100 miles. It hurt to ditch them because I loved them otherwise.
My Vaporfly uppers look new after 135 miles. My Flyknit Streak uppers look new after 315 miles, along with the rest of the shoe. Flyknit seems to be a really durable, flexible and abrasion-resistant material. I'd be shocked if you got the new Vaporfly Flyknit and the upper wore out before the midsole.