Houston guy purposely false started in 400m hurdles?

wejo wrote:

I should know this by now but is there not an honest effort rule at NCAAs?

I know there is not one at USAs but I thought there was one at NCAAs.

Dwight Stones just said Amere Lattin false started on 400m hurdle prelims on purpose. This was after he didn't make final in 110 hurdles.

Why even bother qualifying in the 400hurdles if you're going to false start. Seems like if he was going to qualify in the 400 hurdles as a backup event, you would actually run them if you don't make the 110m hurdle final.

Yeah, it looked like he purposely false started to me in prelims. There's no way to prove he did it intentionally, though, so honest effort rule probably doesn't apply. It does seem pretty poor behavior on the part of Houston, however.

wejo wrote:

I should know this by now but is there not an honest effort rule at NCAAs?

I know there is not one at USAs but I thought there was one at NCAAs.

Dwight Stones just said Amere Lattin false started on 400m hurdle prelims on purpose. This was after he didn't make final in 110 hurdles.

Why even bother qualifying in the 400hurdles if you're going to false start. Seems like if he was going to qualify in the 400 hurdles as a backup event, you would actually run them if you don't make the 110m hurdle final.

He did, but it was to ensure he could run in the later 4x400 relay after being injured in the 110m hurdles semis (according to ESPN sources). He false-started to keep with the honest effort rule because NCAAs is no scratch.

I think there is an honest effort rule. Wasn't that a big deal a few years back when Devon Allen knocked over every hurdle at NCAA indoors?

kid from PA wrote:

wejo wrote:

I should know this by now but is there not an honest effort rule at NCAAs?

I know there is not one at USAs but I thought there was one at NCAAs.

Dwight Stones just said Amere Lattin false started on 400m hurdle prelims on purpose. This was after he didn't make final in 110 hurdles.

Why even bother qualifying in the 400hurdles if you're going to false start. Seems like if he was going to qualify in the 400 hurdles as a backup event, you would actually run them if you don't make the 110m hurdle final.

He did, but it was to ensure he could run in the later 4x400 relay after being injured in the 110m hurdles semis (according to ESPN sources). He false-started to keep with the honest effort rule because NCAAs is no scratch.

To clarify, he definitely looked like he got hurt in the 110m hurdles, so they may have decided he wasn't in hurdling shape but could still run well.

kid from PA wrote:

wejo wrote:

I should know this by now but is there not an honest effort rule at NCAAs?

I know there is not one at USAs but I thought there was one at NCAAs.

Dwight Stones just said Amere Lattin false started on 400m hurdle prelims on purpose. This was after he didn't make final in 110 hurdles.

Why even bother qualifying in the 400hurdles if you're going to false start. Seems like if he was going to qualify in the 400 hurdles as a backup event, you would actually run them if you don't make the 110m hurdle final.

He did, but it was to ensure he could run in the later 4x400 relay after being injured in the 110m hurdles semis (according to ESPN sources). He false-started to keep with the honest effort rule because NCAAs is no scratch.

I didn't know he was injured. I retract my comment, I guess.

rare wrote:

wejo wrote:

I should know this by now but is there not an honest effort rule at NCAAs?

I know there is not one at USAs but I thought there was one at NCAAs.

Dwight Stones just said Amere Lattin false started on 400m hurdle prelims on purpose. This was after he didn't make final in 110 hurdles.

Why even bother qualifying in the 400hurdles if you're going to false start. Seems like if he was going to qualify in the 400 hurdles as a backup event, you would actually run them if you don't make the 110m hurdle final.

Yeah, it looked like he purposely false started to me in prelims. There's no way to prove he did it intentionally, though, so honest effort rule probably doesn't apply. It does seem pretty poor behavior on the part of Houston, however.

He did it because he was hurt. You can't race a 400H while hurt. He wanted to rest up and hope that he healed up enough over the next 2 days to help his team in the 4x4 final. I say its fine because it's not like anyone could predict that he would get hurt during the 110H like he did. He didn't know that he wouldn't be able to do the 400H. Nothing too unethical here, IMO.

wejo wrote:

I should know this by now but is there not an honest effort rule at NCAAs?

I know there is not one at USAs but I thought there was one at NCAAs.

Dwight Stones just said Amere Lattin false started on 400m hurdle prelims on purpose. This was after he didn't make final in 110 hurdles.

Why even bother qualifying in the 400hurdles if you're going to false start. Seems like if he was going to qualify in the 400 hurdles as a backup event, you would actually run them if you don't make the 110m hurdle final.

How are you going to judge whether an athlete false starts on purpose or not genius?

The Starved Elephant wrote:

rare wrote:

Yeah, it looked like he purposely false started to me in prelims. There's no way to prove he did it intentionally, though, so honest effort rule probably doesn't apply. It does seem pretty poor behavior on the part of Houston, however.

He did it because he was hurt. You can't race a 400H while hurt. He wanted to rest up and hope that he healed up enough over the next 2 days to help his team in the 4x4 final. I say its fine because it's not like anyone could predict that he would get hurt during the 110H like he did. He didn't know that he wouldn't be able to do the 400H. Nothing too unethical here, IMO.

Makes sense, but the 4x4 final was two hours later.

kid from PA wrote:

The Starved Elephant wrote:

He did it because he was hurt. You can't race a 400H while hurt. He wanted to rest up and hope that he healed up enough over the next 2 days to help his team in the 4x4 final. I say its fine because it's not like anyone could predict that he would get hurt during the 110H like he did. He didn't know that he wouldn't be able to do the 400H. Nothing too unethical here, IMO.

Makes sense, but the 4x4 final was two hours later.

Is there anyone on this board who actually follows the sport? Lattin false started on Wednesday. The 4x4 final was tonight.

Questioner of quality of posters wrote:

kid from PA wrote:

Makes sense, but the 4x4 final was two hours later.

Is there anyone on this board who actually follows the sport? Lattin false started on Wednesday. The 4x4 final was tonight.

You're stupid. The 4x4 semis were the last event on Wednesday. He false started in the 400mH to rest during the 10k, 200, etc. so he could be ready to go for the semis later and help his team qualify.

kid from PA wrote:

Questioner of quality of posters wrote:

Is there anyone on this board who actually follows the sport? Lattin false started on Wednesday. The 4x4 final was tonight.

You're stupid. The 4x4 semis were the last event on Wednesday. He false started in the 400mH to rest during the 10k, 200, etc. so he could be ready to go for the semis later and help his team qualify.

He did not run the 4x4 semis. Only the finals. Teams do that all of the time, you know.

The Starved Elephant wrote:

kid from PA wrote:

You're stupid. The 4x4 semis were the last event on Wednesday. He false started in the 400mH to rest during the 10k, 200, etc. so he could be ready to go for the semis later and help his team qualify.

He did not run the 4x4 semis. Only the finals. Teams do that all of the time, you know.

Also, your words were "the 4X4 final was two hours later." Now you're calling someone else stupid while pretending you were talking about the semis?

The first step in getting yourself out of a hole is to stop digging. You were wrong. That's okay. Move on.

stop digging wrote:

The Starved Elephant wrote:

He did not run the 4x4 semis. Only the finals. Teams do that all of the time, you know.

Also, your words were "the 4X4 final was two hours later." Now you're calling someone else stupid while pretending you were talking about the semis?

The first step in getting yourself out of a hole is to stop digging. You were wrong. That's okay. Move on.

I did notice I said 4x4 finals, I meant the semis later that night, that he did in fact run in:

The commentators mentioned it multiple times. So I made a slight error in terms, so what.

My comment is... who cares?

Let me guess...

“He blocked another athlete from qualifying for an event he didn’t give an honest effort in.”

Still... who cares? Does anyone really want to see the 13th place guy at west regionals get last place at nationals? If anything that’s a worse outcome because now that guy would get embarrassed. In the grand scheme of things it DOES NOT matter.

kid from PA wrote:

wejo wrote:

I should know this by now but is there not an honest effort rule at NCAAs?

I know there is not one at USAs but I thought there was one at NCAAs.

Dwight Stones just said Amere Lattin false started on 400m hurdle prelims on purpose. This was after he didn't make final in 110 hurdles.

Why even bother qualifying in the 400hurdles if you're going to false start. Seems like if he was going to qualify in the 400 hurdles as a backup event, you would actually run them if you don't make the 110m hurdle final.

He did, but it was to ensure he could run in the later 4x400 relay after being injured in the 110m hurdles semis (according to ESPN sources). He false-started to keep with the honest effort rule because NCAAs is no scratch.

Does the honest effort rule still apply for relay teams? I know in my conference, the no-scratch rule only applies to individual events (i.e. if you scratch individually you can still run in a relay).

Let it Rupp wrote:

kid from PA wrote:

He did, but it was to ensure he could run in the later 4x400 relay after being injured in the 110m hurdles semis (according to ESPN sources). He false-started to keep with the honest effort rule because NCAAs is no scratch.

Does the honest effort rule still apply for relay teams? I know in my conference, the no-scratch rule only applies to individual events (i.e. if you scratch individually you can still run in a relay).

The ESPN commentators said on air he intentionally false started to maintain his eligibility for the relay later that night. As bright as the ESPN people are though, I don't think they wrote the book on this so it'd be interesting to find whatever rule concerns this sort of situation.