State class? National class? World Class?
State class? National class? World Class?
Off of around 25 miles per week if that makes a difference.
25 mpw for how long?
25 miles per week was only for a few months. I was running 10-20 miles per week before that.
Sub 4:50 in middle school is absolutely national class. However, it is not necessarily an indication that the runner will continue to progress a task national class level.
It shows speed & talent, but the odds of becoming a world class runner are pretty slim. In Kenya this is probably considered "above average."
Likely Galen Rupp level of ability
don't get me wrong those times are great, but off of 25 mpw as a middle schooler?? not huge mileage, but still not a small amount for a middle schooler.
also just keep training, I have a friend who went 4:47 in 8th and is still progressing nicely, not state class yet, but still pretty solid
Bumping this thread because I would like to hear some more opinions.
I had 2 sons run about 4:45 and 2:07 in 8th grade. One ran 4:12 and 1:53 in HS. The other one ran 4:18 and 2:00. So even with the same gene pool, there were somewhat different results.
How tall are you and what is your weight? How tall are your parents and what are their weights? What are your parents' running abilities? Tell me those things, and I will give you a good estimate of your senior times.
Question has been asked many times. Here is an example. My son ran 4:38 in the mile (not 1600) in 8th grade. Broke 5 a dozen times, first as a 6th grader - running 25 miles a week during track season. He was good in HS, but not great. All-State but not state champ. His senior year he ran 4:16 and 9:15. He did receive a full-ride to a large D1 school that was a mid-level conference program in a large conference. He ran 14:20 and 30:10 and 24:20 at pre-nationals in CC one year at Indiana State. He never made all-conference or competed at nationals. He is in his 30's now and went professional in something other than running and is very successful. He still runs and recently competed in a 1/2 marathon. He was a much better runner than I ever was. And...I did not have to pay for his college. Have fun and keep everything in perspective.
A full ride to a D1 school for running 4:16 and 9:15. Was that school in the middle of nowhere? Maybe it was a long time ago? That's not happening these days -- at least not around here.
In the UK a 14 year old girl has just clocked 4.26 for 1500. Gives some context.
Not as good as this double from last weekend:
1 # 693 James Donahue Belmont Hill 2:02.00 2:03.30# 4 10
1 # 693 James Donahue Belmont Hill 4:35.00 4:39.46# 4 10
That's a mile time (not 1600). Won by 18 seconds in the mile and 12 seconds in the 800.
12 year old girl in australia has run 4:23 1500m this past season really puts it in perspective.
On the main topic your times are very good. I currently coach a 8th grader with times of 2:09, 4:20, 9:32 for 8/1500/3k.
He runs 2-3 days a week and plays Aussie Rules Football at the moment after such a good athletics season he is just turning the focus of running down a little bit.
This winter (southern hemisphere here mate) he has already run 13:40 for 4k and will compete at National XC in August.
I don't pressure him to train more I let him decide. It is always about his goals.
Hopefully when you get to high school a good coach will look after you and put your goals ahead of what he wants to achieve based on how talented you are. You probably don't know what I mean but you will when he ask you to triple at dual meets or race, race, race instead of laying down the good foundations of training and becoming an efficient mover.
1. Enjoy your journey
2. Be patient
3. Gradual progression
i ran similar times - 4:52 and 2:11. ended up running 4:17 and 1:54 senior yr. i was not national caliber
Girl? They're done. They can maybe be softball catcher as a HS sophomore.
Boy? I'm thinking 1:54 and 4:19 as a sophomore, 1:58 and 4:27 as a senior. DIII will take him.
I recently discovered that a 10% scholarship coupled with academic aid leaving the parents to cover room and board is considered full.
Timtam wrote:
I don't pressure him to train more I let him decide. It is always about his goals.
Hopefully when you get to high school a good coach will look after you and put your goals ahead of what he wants to achieve based on how talented you are. You probably don't know what I mean but you will when he ask you to triple at dual meets or race, race, race instead of laying down the good foundations of training and becoming an efficient mover.
1. Enjoy your journey
2. Be patient
3. Gradual progression
Such a relief to see something else than the burnout approach the poor USkids have to endure.
palmtree wrote:
A full ride to a D1 school for running 4:16 and 9:15. Was that school in the middle of nowhere? Maybe it was a long time ago? That's not happening these days -- at least not around here.
Evidently it was Indiana State, and the guy is in his 30s now so 10+ years ago.