What no one noticed. Murphy takes down Centrowitz. A changing of the guard?

zippy for life wrote:

Everyone was dumping on Murphy last year and early this year.

Guess what. He just beat Centro. Maybe Centro should beg for forgiveness and move back to Oregon and see if Al Sal will take him back.

I disagree. I noticed it.

What no one noticed was the "Toilet bowl." Johnny G and Engels both battling it out for last American honors - and the honor went to Gregorek in 4:02.01 over Engels 4:01.70. Amazingly they beat to runners one of whom was Silas Kiplagat.

And a 17 year old kid took down them both

zippy for life wrote:

Everyone was dumping on Murphy last year and early this year.

Guess what. He just beat Centro. Maybe Centro should beg for forgiveness and move back to Oregon and see if Al Sal will take him back.

Murphy is coming off knee surgery which most people don't realize. If both are healthy, he probably isn't at Centro's level in the 1500 yet, but he will overtake Centro for good by next year. People forget Murphy has run sub 1:43, and once he's fully back on track (likely not until next season) he will take down the 800 AR - even if Brazier gets it this year. Brazier is too much of a head case. Unless he sees a hypnotist or something he'll never medal in a major event.

Who cares who beat whom when they're both out of shape.

I don't think finishing one place ahead of someone that far down in the standings constitutes "beating" him.

Well You Know wrote:

I don't think finishing one place ahead of someone that far down in the standings constitutes "beating" him.

Why not?

Would you also argue that Ingebrigtsen didn't beat them both by ending up one place ahead of Murphy?

Gjert wrote:

And a 17 year old kid took down them both

hold your horses...

jacob, he let the world champ beat him by 0.1 seconds, and he's still 9 seconds off the world record.

Seyta wrote:

Well You Know wrote:

I don't think finishing one place ahead of someone that far down in the standings constitutes "beating" him.

Why not?

Would you also argue that Ingebrigtsen didn't beat them both by ending up one place ahead of Murphy?

Because neither one of them appear to be in championship shape, and that is where a "changing of the guard" matters or happens. 4 seconds off the win in a mile? ok one guy beat the other, but that gets you nothing more than bragging rights until the next match up.

Despite being great in Championship races, Centro was always B-tier when it came to top international talent anyways. He is a great racer, but never good enough to keep up with the best in non-tactical races or produce amazing races. Maybe he's just having a bad year or maybe he is past his prime now, doesn't really matter to me. I'd much rather have someone who is more than just a tactical race expert who can only win slow races be the top dog in the US.

Certainly good for Murphy though.

Besides, a 17 year old crushed them both. This kid is Alan Webb+. If he doesn't fall prey to injuries like Alan did just as he started to enter his peak years, this kid is gonna dominate the world.

Centro Sauce is near impossible to find these days. It's either expired or discontinued.

eh doesn't matter wrote:

Despite being great in Championship races, Centro was always B-tier when it came to top international talent anyways. He is a great racer, but never good enough to keep up with the best in non-tactical races or produce amazing races. Maybe he's just having a bad year or maybe he is past his prime now, doesn't really matter to me. I'd much rather have someone who is more than just a tactical race expert who can only win slow races be the top dog in the US.

Certainly good for Murphy though.

Besides, a 17 year old crushed them both. This kid is Alan Webb+. If he doesn't fall prey to injuries like Alan did just as he started to enter his peak years, this kid is gonna dominate the world.

Centro as we know has changed up his formula. Moved back home and is working more with his dad.

Im not so sure that this may be the best formula for getting him back to where he was and could be.

FloTrack had a video of NOP when it trained at Park City. You can see how Centro loved the group energy -- he said something along lines of "I believe this is the best professional training group in the world." He's a social animal and the group energy AlSal created a few years ago was perfect for him. Now you see him like doing easy runs alone on his sad condo treadmill -- I'm being a bit hyperbolic, but with his personality I think he needs a real group.

Did Centro officially quit NOP? Sorry if it’s a dumb question but if he’s just training with his dad them NOP just seems more like a label.

centro has done it! olympic gold! records are for freaks and cheaters, wins are for champions

ninjarunner wrote:

Did Centro officially quit NOP? Sorry if it’s a dumb question but if he’s just training with his dad them NOP just seems more like a label.

He’s been training with Jenkins and Engels for the past few weeks at altitude (I’m pretty sure Park City.)

rare wrote:

ninjarunner wrote:

Did Centro officially quit NOP? Sorry if it’s a dumb question but if he’s just training with his dad them NOP just seems more like a label.

He’s been training with Jenkins and Engels for the past few weeks at altitude (I’m pretty sure Park City.)

Wow. Look how that trio collectively did at Pre. Jenkins and Centro mediocre at best; Engels terrible. Maybe they were goofing off up in Utah.

Ehso wrote:

rare wrote:

He’s been training with Jenkins and Engels for the past few weeks at altitude (I’m pretty sure Park City.)

Wow. Look how that trio collectively did at Pre. Jenkins and Centro mediocre at best; Engels terrible. Maybe they were goofing off up in Utah.

They’re nowhere near as good training partners for Centro as Rupp, Mo, Ritz etc., that’s for sure.

Unlike you basement dwellers I was able to make it down to Eugene this year for Pre.

I ran into centro after the race, here is what he said:

"Training has been going really well except for the fact that I'm having a hard time recovering. Since the usada started its investigation I've had to scale back on all the dope I was taking. As might be guessed this is hard, it really levels the playing field.

Before, our dope program was systematically thorough, I never felt tired. I felt like I could do anything. Now I feel human. Black beta boosters, hemoglobin enhancers, ventrical synode zappers, mitochondrial aggrandizers: I've basically had to eliminate all these from my dope regiment. I'm confident the heat will die down though so that we can return to business as usual."

Following this last remark, and despite not having a microphone, he made a gesture as though he were dropping a mic and walked off without any single additional utterance.

Jenkins, like most other Americans at this level, doesn't set himself up in position to challenge for the win, because he, like most of the others, sits back in the pack where he's boxed and so can't kick away for the podium. So, it is hard to tell just how good they are. Centro has that champion's mindset, but only in slow races. He doesn't take risks in circuit races. That was what was so great about Webb, but unfortunately, he was a head case in world champs and got sick and injured in 2007 just before world's.