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5 minutes. All other answers are wrong.
only needed response wrote:
5 minutes. All other answers are wrong.
Before I clicked, I thought to myself: 5 minutes.
The more I think about it, it should be slower. If we are equating adding a plate with adding a minute as a benchmark (pun intended), 225 = 6min mile, 315 = 5min mile, and 405 = 4min mile.
Most of your general athletic population can do 6min/225lbs. It takes some real talent and training to do 5min/315lbs. Only elites with years of training can do 4min/405lbs.
Saying that 225 = 5min mile indicates that you have only ever been around puny runners your whole life (or, your hs football team was awful).
theJeff wrote:
only needed response wrote:
5 minutes. All other answers are wrong.
Before I clicked, I thought to myself: 5 minutes.
The more I think about it, it should be slower. If we are equating adding a plate with adding a minute as a benchmark (pun intended), 225 = 6min mile, 315 = 5min mile, and 405 = 4min mile.
Most of your general athletic population can do 6min/225lbs. It takes some real talent and training to do 5min/315lbs. Only elites with years of training can do 4min/405lbs.
Saying that 225 = 5min mile indicates that you have only ever been around puny runners your whole life (or, your hs football team was awful).
No way; I would not say the general population can do 6min mile and 225lbs. I rarely see anyone at the gym do 225. 225 takes work to get up to...seeing as the general population (of the US) is overweight, I would guess the average bench (for men) would be closer to 180. Think about the guys trying to get into the military, they struggle to run 15 minutes for 2 miles and have to work for it. 225 is probably equivalent to 4:59...meaning you had to work to break 5, but it's not an insane goal. Think about when you first broke 5 and how long you had been training for prior to that. 225 is not as easy as people make it out to be on here.
Like Solomon, allow me to split the difference.
5:30!
Liberate yourself from the tyranny of round numbers.
theJeff wrote:
only needed response wrote:
5 minutes. All other answers are wrong.
Before I clicked, I thought to myself: 5 minutes.
The more I think about it, it should be slower. If we are equating adding a plate with adding a minute as a benchmark (pun intended), 225 = 6min mile, 315 = 5min mile, and 405 = 4min mile.
Most of your general athletic population can do 6min/225lbs. It takes some real talent and training to do 5min/315lbs. Only elites with years of training can do 4min/405lbs.
Saying that 225 = 5min mile indicates that you have only ever been around puny runners your whole life (or, your hs football team was awful).
I disagree with you saying that it real takes "real talent" to run a 5min mile. There's probably thousands of highschoolers that run that every year. I would say 225lbs=5.30 mile which any person can do regardless of bad gentics if they put in work. 315lbs=4.30 mile which a lot people are capable of genetically but it takes years of hard work. 405lbs=4min mile, this requires both talent and hard work. If you can bench 405 clean or run a sub 4min mile clean then you are a top 1% athlete in the world.
D2sprinter wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Before I clicked, I thought to myself: 5 minutes.
The more I think about it, it should be slower. If we are equating adding a plate with adding a minute as a benchmark (pun intended), 225 = 6min mile, 315 = 5min mile, and 405 = 4min mile.
Most of your general athletic population can do 6min/225lbs. It takes some real talent and training to do 5min/315lbs. Only elites with years of training can do 4min/405lbs.
Saying that 225 = 5min mile indicates that you have only ever been around puny runners your whole life (or, your hs football team was awful).
I disagree with you saying that it real takes "real talent" to run a 5min mile. There's probably thousands of highschoolers that run that every year. I would say 225lbs=5.30 mile which any person can do regardless of bad gentics if they put in work. 315lbs=4.30 mile which a lot people are capable of genetically but it takes years of hard work. 405lbs=4min mile, this requires both talent and hard work. If you can bench 405 clean or run a sub 4min mile clean then you are a top 1% athlete in the world.
Perhaps there are thousands than can run a 5 minute mile, but there are 10 to 15 million estimated number of kids in high school (nces.ed.gov) that can't. So yeah, some "real talent" is involved when you have to be in that top fraction of a percent.
NoWay wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Before I clicked, I thought to myself: 5 minutes.
The more I think about it, it should be slower. If we are equating adding a plate with adding a minute as a benchmark (pun intended), 225 = 6min mile, 315 = 5min mile, and 405 = 4min mile.
Most of your general athletic population can do 6min/225lbs. It takes some real talent and training to do 5min/315lbs. Only elites with years of training can do 4min/405lbs.
Saying that 225 = 5min mile indicates that you have only ever been around puny runners your whole life (or, your hs football team was awful).
No way; I would not say the general population can do 6min mile and 225lbs. I rarely see anyone at the gym do 225. 225 takes work to get up to...seeing as the general population (of the US) is overweight, I would guess the average bench (for men) would be closer to 180. Think about the guys trying to get into the military, they struggle to run 15 minutes for 2 miles and have to work for it. 225 is probably equivalent to 4:59...meaning you had to work to break 5, but it's not an insane goal. Think about when you first broke 5 and how long you had been training for prior to that. 225 is not as easy as people make it out to be on here.
225 is a max here, not "working out". I rarely see people run an all out mile on the treadmill, either.
I didn't say "average bench". I said "most of your athletic population".
Both of those points are moot, though, as your basic claim is wrong, except that your claim about the majority of the pop being overweight and how hard it is for military men to run a 15min 2mile supports my position.
I played football in college and have coached distance running at a championship level. I feel like I have a better handle on this than you do. Your opinion is a reflection of your scrawny runner worldview.
D2sprinter wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Before I clicked, I thought to myself: 5 minutes.
The more I think about it, it should be slower. If we are equating adding a plate with adding a minute as a benchmark (pun intended), 225 = 6min mile, 315 = 5min mile, and 405 = 4min mile.
Most of your general athletic population can do 6min/225lbs. It takes some real talent and training to do 5min/315lbs. Only elites with years of training can do 4min/405lbs.
Saying that 225 = 5min mile indicates that you have only ever been around puny runners your whole life (or, your hs football team was awful).
I disagree with you saying that it real takes "real talent" to run a 5min mile. There's probably thousands of highschoolers that run that every year. I would say 225lbs=5.30 mile which any person can do regardless of bad gentics if they put in work. 315lbs=4.30 mile which a lot people are capable of genetically but it takes years of hard work. 405lbs=4min mile, this requires both talent and hard work. If you can bench 405 clean or run a sub 4min mile clean then you are a top 1% athlete in the world.
There are thousands of highschoolers that can bench 315, too.
seikosha wrote:
Perhaps there are thousands than can run a 5 minute mile, but there are 10 to 15 million estimated number of kids in high school (nces.ed.gov) that can't. So yeah, some "real talent" is involved when you have to be in that top fraction of a percent.
That's because the vast majority of those 10 to 15 million kids don't run at all. Outside of the track and XC teams how many high schoolers do any decent running on their own? Almost none. If you put all high school students in the USA thru decent XC training all 4 years of school you would see hundreds of thousands if not millions ofHS boys running sub 5min. Genetically speaking probably atleast 90% males are CAPABLE of running Sub 5min if they are willing to work hard
All of this is useless, I'm more curious about the weight benched per kg body weight.
We could use that to compare power/kg to running if runners used stryd.
D2sprinter wrote:
seikosha wrote:
Perhaps there are thousands than can run a 5 minute mile, but there are 10 to 15 million estimated number of kids in high school (nces.ed.gov) that can't. So yeah, some "real talent" is involved when you have to be in that top fraction of a percent.
That's because the vast majority of those 10 to 15 million kids don't run at all. Outside of the track and XC teams how many high schoolers do any decent running on their own? Almost none. If you put all high school students in the USA thru decent XC training all 4 years of school you would see hundreds of thousands if not millions ofHS boys running sub 5min. Genetically speaking probably atleast 90% males are CAPABLE of running Sub 5min if they are willing to work hard
No way.
I definitely believe that 90% of the male population is genetically capable of a 225 pound bench and/or a six minute mile.
Again, opinions here are distorted by a scrawny runner worldview.
theJeff wrote:
There are thousands of highschoolers that can bench 315, too.
True but you have to factor in that a lot more HSers are lifting weights then running distance. Usually only cross country runners put in decent running. Yes few non xc kids run good mileage on their own but they are few are far between. Whereas at most high schools the football, basketball, wrestling, and baseball teams usually lift weights. On top of that male non HS athletes are much more likely to lift weights than run because they want to "bodybuild" to impress the girls.
D2sprinter wrote:
theJeff wrote:
There are thousands of highschoolers that can bench 315, too.
True but you have to factor in that a lot more HSers are lifting weights then running distance. Usually only cross country runners put in decent running. Yes few non xc kids run good mileage on their own but they are few are far between. Whereas at most high schools the football, basketball, wrestling, and baseball teams usually lift weights. On top of that male non HS athletes are much more likely to lift weights than run because they want to "bodybuild" to impress the girls.
I bet there isn’t a huge difference in the number of kids who are being PROPERLY trained in the weight room for a bench max and the track for a mile PR.
Sure, basketball and baseball “work out”. Similarly, soccer teams and basketball teams “run a mile” as part of their routine. Neither are training for a max performance, though.
I quit running and started lifting 4 times a week, I was able to hit a 225 benching in like 2 months man. Now lets compare that to running. If someone was a complete noob and wanted to start running how fast could they do a mile in 2 months..? 7:35 pace? Okay lets say 225 is equal to 7:35 pace because it likely is.
Another reason that 225 isn't impressive is because big fat A$$es can do it . It means nothing.
Let's say that I can bench 225 and run a 6 minute mile, and want to become a decathlete. Are the bench and mile time a good indicator of decathlon potential, or what are the specific running distance and lifts that would be a good measure of such potential?
This is one time The Jeff is an expert. Wasn't The Jeff a D-1 or D-2 Am. football athlete? I am sure The Jeff knows what 165 lbs. 4th string slot receivers bench press, also what punters and field goal kickers bench press.
theJeff wrote:
only needed response wrote:
5 minutes. All other answers are wrong.
Before I clicked, I thought to myself: 5 minutes.
The more I think about it, it should be slower. If we are equating adding a plate with adding a minute as a benchmark (pun intended), 225 = 6min mile, 315 = 5min mile, and 405 = 4min mile.
Most of your general athletic population can do 6min/225lbs. It takes some real talent and training to do 5min/315lbs. Only elites with years of training can do 4min/405lbs.
Saying that 225 = 5min mile indicates that you have only ever been around puny runners your whole life (or, your hs football team was awful).
I definitely think it's slower than 5 min but I'd also say more people can run 6 min mile than bench 225. 5 minute mile is no where close to 315 bench though lol
theJeff wrote:
D2sprinter wrote:
That's because the vast majority of those 10 to 15 million kids don't run at all. Outside of the track and XC teams how many high schoolers do any decent running on their own? Almost none. If you put all high school students in the USA thru decent XC training all 4 years of school you would see hundreds of thousands if not millions ofHS boys running sub 5min. Genetically speaking probably atleast 90% males are CAPABLE of running Sub 5min if they are willing to work hard
No way.
I definitely believe that 90% of the male population is genetically capable of a 225 pound bench and/or a six minute mile.
Again, opinions here are distorted by a scrawny runner worldview.
I agree with your last point. Speaking from experience i have a runners body, tall and lanky, and in HS my max bench was 230lbs and my best mile was 5:24. From experience it took me about 3 years of weight training in HS to go from a scrawny wimp to benching 230, and it was hard. As for running i actually ran my first sub 6min mile in middle school which was a 7th and 8th grade school. I only trained for like a year by running the same 3mile run a few times a week. From experience i feel like a 6min mile is pretty much a joke for someone who trains since i did it in MS with basically 10miles a week.
To conclude from experience for me it was WAY harder to bench 225 then to run sub 6min
225 in a void is useless info. 225 in relation to the person's bodyweight is much more useful info. for a 130 pound runner twink, 225 may as well be a 4 minute mile-- it will likely never happen.