17 yr Jakob Ingebrigtsen closes in 55, runs 3:39 & LRC goes nuts. 17 yr George Manangoi closes in 55, runs 3:35 and silence

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  • wejo
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    2 years ago 05/04/2018 1:57pm CDT
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    Last night 17 year old Jakob Ingebrigtsen of the great Ingebrigtsen (3 world class runners) running family closed in 55.23 to win the Stanford meet in 3:39.06. He rightfully got a lot of attention and discussion on here.

    Today in Doha 17 year old George Manangoi of the great Manangoi running family (2 world class runners) closed in roughly 55.5 in a much faster 3:35.53 to race to get second. (If someone knows the FAT split let us know) and it's barely gotten any discussion. Unfair? Racist? Or totally fair because of the age cheating in the past in Kenya?

    http://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Screenshot-2018-05-04-at-12.07.26.png
  • LRC Posters Got Burned
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:03pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    That's a good burn at the LRC posters, Wejo, for them giving you and Rojo grief about perceived biases in the past.
  • snow blow
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:06pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    Well, Kenya has a history of both age cheating and drug cheating, so it's hard to get excited for the "17 year old" Kenyan.
  • crumpet
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:12pm CDT
    re: snow blow
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    he could be 17, give or take 7 years
  • SprintTriathlon
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    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:13pm CDT
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    At norwegian televison they stated it will be very exciting to see the two fight it out during the next years.
    George Manangoi looks quite young.
  • Grandfather clause
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:14pm CDT
    re: snow blow
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    JI won the race easily.

    The Kenyan grandfather did not.
  • Semenyagoat
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:16pm CDT
    re: SprintTriathlon
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    Of course not. Noone Cares about another african runner. Africans might
  • are you serious?
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:20pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    Fair question. My thoughts:

    1) There's been a history of East African junior runners with undocumented ages which are later found out to be incorrect (lots of prodigious times of 18-19 year-olds who don't improve much later). But let's assume for now George is his stated age.

    2) The limelight is a powerful thing, and the Ingebrigtsen family has had a lot of media exposure with the results to back it up. Of course running a 3:56 mile at 16 years of age means that people are going to follow your results.

    3) Jakob WON his race and took down a better field than that in Doha. Not only did he win, he crushed the competition. Maybe Centro isn't in form but guys like Chelimo and Jenkins are no slouches when it comes to showing up. Manangoi held on in a well-paced race and lost by half a second.

    4) Payton Jordan was at Stanford University and one of the biggest meets in the US, the Doha meet was in the middle of a desert in the Middle East and received a lot less media hype here.

    George seems like a great talent, but in a race between the two I would put my money on Jakob without hesitation. No way Jakob couldn't have run 3:35.x in Doha.
  • Shoebacca
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    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:21pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    I'm pretty sure if you Google "Kenyan 1500m runner" today you will get more articles about Asbel Kiprop than this young guy. He's going to have a much harder time making a name for himself.
  • 42 year old white dude
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:22pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    Kenya’s best just went positive after a lifetime of cheating. And they admit to age cheating. Exactly what are we supposed to be excited about coming out of Africa right now?

    Managoi’s run is every bit as exciting as that coming from a little brother of someone WADA is confident is doping after reviewing 37 of his tests. If Henrik is cheating why wouldn’t Jakob be cheating as well?
  • El Keniano
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    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:27pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    Thanks for this, Wejo. I honestly didn't think you had it in you.

    Links to old man George for the doubters.

    https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/george-meitamei-manangoi-320934

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Jl2-zA7BI
  • you ok bro?
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:28pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    It's not exciting because every year there's a 14-15-16-17 year old E. African that runs a super fast time...then that ends up their lifetime best or close to it. You can speculate as to why that is. Only a one off star runner-type may change that typical scenario, but hard to say if that would be G.M.

    If uninjured, I highly doubt Jakobs PR will stay at 3:39 through even May. I would say Jakob will improve that PR by 10 seconds over the next couple of years, whereas G.M may not improve much, if at all.
  • krispy kremlin._._._.
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:31pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    Given the economic endowment of Western society and the brutal nature of distance running, the Ingebrigtsen victory, on a relative basis, is the greater accomplishment.

    Given the predominately Western audience of this website, it shouldn't come as a surprise that "one of our guys" attracts more attention.
  • an honest assessment
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:31pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    wejo wrote:
    Or totally fair because of the age cheating in the past in Kenya?


    Correct.
  • The Dingo^3
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:37pm CDT
    re: you ok bro?
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    you ok bro? wrote:

    It's not exciting because every year there's a 14-15-16-17 year old E. African that runs a super fast time...then that ends up their lifetime best or close to it. You can speculate as to why that is. Only a one off star runner-type may change that typical scenario, but hard to say if that would be G.M.


    +1

    Within the last 5-6 years:
    Isaiah Koech ran 12:53 INDOOR as a 17 year old
    Hagos ran 7:32 and 12:47 as an 18 year old
    Kejelcha ran 12:53 as an 18 year old

    Those three were lauded as being the next big threats to Bekele's WRs. Hagos and Kejelcha are still competitive though certainly not the world beaters everyone thought they would be, and I don't think Koech is even on the circuit anymore.

    A random Norwegian (or any non-African country) running that type of time at 17 is much rarer. That's why it's being talked about more.
  • El Keniano
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    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:37pm CDT
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    SprintTriathlon wrote:

    At norwegian televison they stated it will be very exciting to see the two fight it out during the next years.
    George Manangoi looks quite young.


    They'll be competing for the minor placings. Kenya's next great 1500m hope isn't even George, but 18-year-old Justus Soget who's run 3:32.

    https://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Kenya-Justus-Soget-back-to-rousing-reception/1100-4330890-13fhnoj/index.html
  • dapers
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:40pm CDT
    re: wejo
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    Dopers. All of them. The Ingebrigtsen camp's going to be impossible to catch due to a greater degree of sophistication learned from the skiers and the insularity of the family: they'll never rat.
  • El Keniano
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    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:41pm CDT
    re: El Keniano
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    And he still gets beaten in high school meets.

    http://athletics.co.ke/justus-soget-beaten-kitale/
  • Orren
    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:46pm CDT
    re: El Keniano
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    Remind me again who coaches Soget?
  • sbeefyk2
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    2 years ago 05/04/2018 2:46pm CDT
    re: El Keniano
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    El Keniano wrote:

    SprintTriathlon wrote:

    At norwegian televison they stated it will be very exciting to see the two fight it out during the next years.
    George Manangoi looks quite young.


    They'll be competing for the minor placings. Kenya's next great 1500m hope isn't even George, but 18-year-old Justus Soget who's run 3:32.

    https://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Kenya-Justus-Soget-back-to-rousing-reception/1100-4330890-13fhnoj/index.html


    Check the results and get back to us, k? Manangoi beat Soget in the same race. So, as it stands Manangoi has the advantage.