Clayton Murphy - barely sub 48 this weekend

Not terrible for a miler.

Already a thread on this way ahead of yours.

Garbage

I mean your post not his time.

Symmonds' PR is just a hair faster than this. I don't see much here.

mcvred wrote:

Symmonds' PR is just a hair faster than this. I don't see much here.

True, but Clayton has split 45s and 46s on relays before. Don’t think Symmonds ever did that. Comparing current Clayton to past Clayton is more relevant than comparing Clayton to Symmonds.

Jdjshdjs wrote:

mcvred wrote:

Symmonds' PR is just a hair faster than this. I don't see much here.

True, but Clayton has split 45s and 46s on relays before. Don’t think Symmonds ever did that. Comparing current Clayton to past Clayton is more relevant than comparing Clayton to Symmonds.

I've run 2 seconds slower than my fastest split before. Luckily, I didn't know at the time that I was supposed to worried by that.

Jdjshdjs wrote:

mcvred wrote:

Symmonds' PR is just a hair faster than this. I don't see much here.

True, but Clayton has split 45s and 46s on relays before. Don’t think Symmonds ever did that. Comparing current Clayton to past Clayton is more relevant than comparing Clayton to Symmonds.

I assume--unless he is coming back from an injury--he has been periodizing his training and has devoted most of the last 6 months toward building a base and getting stronger than ever. April is not when he wants to be capable of running very quickly over 200-400 meters; July and August is.

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Jdjshdjs wrote:

True, but Clayton has split 45s and 46s on relays before. Don’t think Symmonds ever did that. Comparing current Clayton to past Clayton is more relevant than comparing Clayton to Symmonds.

I assume--unless he is coming back from an injury--he has been periodizing his training and has devoted most of the last 6 months toward building a base and getting stronger than ever. April is not when he wants to be capable of running very quickly over 200-400 meters; July and August is.

Great excuse, bro. When he ran fast in August ‘16, he was splitting 45s in relays in April and May at Regionals and other meets. Nice try, though.

He's now on a different program. Maybe trying something different.

More likely NOP is gearing his training more toward strength than speed as was probably the case when Murphy was in college. This is his first year with them, there are going to be adjustments.

It is really weird when internet strangers make passing negative comments about a mildly sub-par performance in sub-par conditions for an athlete not even competing in their optimal event.

Just think about that next time you have a thought.

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Jdjshdjs wrote:

True, but Clayton has split 45s and 46s on relays before. Don’t think Symmonds ever did that. Comparing current Clayton to past Clayton is more relevant than comparing Clayton to Symmonds.

I assume--unless he is coming back from an injury--he has been periodizing his training and has devoted most of the last 6 months toward building a base and getting stronger than ever. April is not when he wants to be capable of running very quickly over 200-400 meters; July and August is.

If you assclowns knew anything about NOP, they’re like the least “peridoized” training group. They’re always doing speed work and strength work year round. So no this is not it bro, sub 48 for this kid first open 4 in god knows how long is actually very good. Just proves my point of how random they train, I’m sure he did some fast 200s or something like that after the race

We had a girl on the high school team who couldn't break 60 in the open quarter, but regularly ran 56-58 split on the 4x4. Wasn't really fast (13 low and 26 high) and didn't have great endurance (broke 2:20 once or twice), but loved the relay and was an animal on it no matter what leg she was running.

Enough speed for a 1:36 800 if the speed endurance is good enough.

steve red wrote:

We had a girl on the high school team who couldn't break 60 in the open quarter, but regularly ran 56-58 split on the 4x4. Wasn't really fast (13 low and 26 high) and didn't have great endurance (broke 2:20 once or twice), but loved the relay and was an animal on it no matter what leg she was running.

56 on a relay but 60 in the open? lol, She sounds like a massive headcase.

Jdjshdjs wrote:

mcvred wrote:

Symmonds' PR is just a hair faster than this. I don't see much here.

True, but Clayton has split 45s and 46s on relays before. Don’t think Symmonds ever did that. Comparing current Clayton to past Clayton is more relevant than comparing Clayton to Symmonds.

It's been discussed here on LRC and throughout T&F history.

....4x400 splits are absolute rubbish. I've witnessed literally 100s of :49.xx "splits" by athletes who can barely scratch :52 in an open 400.

Open 400 times for Murphy are hard to find.

He dipped to :49.3x in high school, his only sub :50.

No opens in college.

Past Clayton? Except for 2016 he has always focused on 15/mile.

800 history:

NCAA bests, pre 2016:

2014: 1:47.9x

2015: 1:45.59

Wouldn't beat d1 Saruni or Korir today, wouldn't beat d2 today with 1:47.9x!

2016 is a different matter:

1:42.xx Olys, but has only hit the 43s twice ever, and 44s twice, ever.

I don't think his :48 by itself means anything yet. ....And if so, it's speaks more about AlSals 800 training than Murphy's ability.

Murphy may be best trained for 800 from speed side than strength side. AlSal has always had issue with low milage training. (I speculate if Centro is doing his own thing to get away from the millage)

Relay splits should not be compared to open.

this thread should be re-titled to:

"No one knows how Clayton Murphy's training is structured and doesn't really understand elite 800m/1500m training anyway."

thanks for all the input, but seems like everyone is stretching a bit with their speculation and doesn't really know much at all,let alone understand April track and field after an injury.