Dalton Hengst 3:45 1500 at mt sac relays second in his heat.
Dalton Hengst 3:45 1500 at mt sac relays second in his heat.
This guy has been running 4:08 miles since he was a sophomore... happy to see a breakthrough.
Finally wrote:
This guy has been running 4:08 miles since he was a sophomore... happy to see a breakthrough.
He ran a 4:10 mile as a sophomore.
He ran 4:09.99 indoor mile as a junior.
He ran a 4:08.24 indoor mile as a junior.
He ran 4:08.04 outdoor 1600 as a junior.
He ran 4:09.10 indoor mile as a senior.
So, not running 4:08 miles since he was a sophomore.
A breakthrough, yes, but not after three seasons stuck running 4:08.
See my user name as to why I know this.
To be fair, the phrase “a mile” can reference either 1600 or 1609 meters, all of those times would qualify as a “4:08 mile” under those conditions.
Otherwise... I’m wrong. Thanks for correcting me.
A 4:03 equivalent is great for Hengst and I’m glad he got it, I know he’s been pursuing it for a while. I never thought he’d do it to be honest.
who's this guy
Ken' wrote:
who's this guy
Merely the biggest news since Joey DeFeo.
Someone who knows wrote:
Finally wrote:
This guy has been running 4:08 miles since he was a sophomore... happy to see a breakthrough.
He ran a 4:10 mile as a sophomore.
He ran 4:09.99 indoor mile as a junior.
He ran a 4:08.24 indoor mile as a junior.
He ran 4:08.04 outdoor 1600 as a junior.
He ran 4:09.10 indoor mile as a senior.
So, not running 4:08 miles since he was a sophomore.
A breakthrough, yes, but not after three seasons stuck running 4:08.
See my user name as to why I know this.
Guess you don't know everything because his 4:09.99 was at Penn Relays.
Fred Gwynne wrote:
He seems to be everywhere since he was expelled.
Finally wrote:
To be fair, the phrase “a mile” can reference either 1600 or 1609 meters, all of those times would qualify as a “4:08 mile” under those conditions.
Your own logic disqualifies your first statement because his 4:08 miles would be 4:06.x for 1600, thus making him a 4:06 miler and not just running 4:08 since 10th grade.
Someone who knows wrote:
Finally wrote:
This guy has been running 4:08 miles since he was a sophomore... happy to see a breakthrough.
He ran a 4:10 mile as a sophomore.
He ran 4:09.99 indoor mile as a junior.
He ran a 4:08.24 indoor mile as a junior.
He ran 4:08.04 outdoor 1600 as a junior.
He ran 4:09.10 indoor mile as a senior.
So, not running 4:08 miles since he was a sophomore.
A breakthrough, yes, but not after three seasons stuck running 4:08.
See my user name as to why I know this.
Lol that's basically what he said. You must have no life.
Welll wrote:
Finally wrote:
To be fair, the phrase “a mile” can reference either 1600 or 1609 meters, all of those times would qualify as a “4:08 mile” under those conditions.
Your own logic disqualifies your first statement because his 4:08 miles would be 4:06.x for 1600, thus making him a 4:06 miler and not just running 4:08 since 10th grade.
I’m generalizing his achievements, so I wouldn’t call him a 4:06 miler because that would be inaccurate, seeing as he only did it once in this case. His 4:10 is the only time that might not convert to a 4:08 mile or 1600. Even so at the slowest it’s equivalent to a 4:09.2 1600. All of his other miles and 1600 seasons bests would qualify him as a consistent 4:08 miler seeing as he hasn’t surpassed a 4:08 in the open 1600
or open mile. I don’t know why I have to explain myself. I think you’re smart enough to get the point.
A runner who didn't complete a marathon, for whatever reason (including terrorism, sad to say), cannot rightfully claim to have run a full marathon. A runner in a 1600m race has not completed a full mile, not because of his/her own fault, but because of the political nature of a sport that demands a distance be run that is 109m short of a full classic mile. Nor has a runner in a 1500m race completed a full mile, by an even greater margin. Lots can happen in the last stretch of a race to spoil what most assumed would be a stellar time.
No matter how fast Dalton Hengst's 1500m and 1600m races have been, they WERE NOT MILE RACES, and THEY WERE SHORT OF A MILE DISTANCE. His 3:45 1500m race time is exciting, and very, very promising, but for all anyone knows, it would have ended in a 4:13.25 tie-up-and-die disaster.
It may not have ended that way, of course; had a 1500m or 1600m race continued onward to the full mile distance, Hengst may have finished in an even faster mile time than the conversion table (MileSplit) predicts. Let's take Brodey Hasty this winter, for example.
In the Dr Sanders Invitational on Jan 26 or 27, Hasty was timed in both the 1500m and the mile. Here are his times:
1500m: actual time was 3:47.39...which converts to only a 4:05.51 mile.
Mile: actual time was 4:03.26...which converts to a 3:45.31 1500m.
Note how his actual 1500m time was not a good predictor of his final mile time -- because he GOT FASTER in the last 109m.
In the 111th Millrose Games HS Men's Unseeded Mile on Feb 3, Hasty was again timed in both the 1500m and the mile. Here are his times:
1500m: actual time was 3:43.74...which converts to only a 4:01.57 mile.
Mile: actual time was 4:00.05...which converts to a 3:42.33.
Again note how his actual 1500m time was not a good predictor of his final mile time -- because he GOT FASTER in the last 109m.
So it is worthless to use a 1500m time, or a 1600m time, as an indicator of what a runner -- Hengst -- would have run over a full mile. He may have been a monster those last 109m, or he may have imploded. A 1500m or 1600m time shows potential, certainly, but we shouldn't get wrapped up in believing that such a time equates to a certain mile time.
THE BOTTOM LINE, and nobody except his detractors will disagree, is that Hengst ran a damn good 1500m, and it is encouraging towards reaching a goal of a legitimate sub-4 mile, run either in high school or beyond.
Lapped Miler wrote:
A runner who didn't complete a marathon, for whatever reason (including terrorism, sad to say), cannot rightfully claim to have run a full marathon. A runner in a 1600m race has not completed a full mile, not because of his/her own fault, but because of the political nature of a sport that demands a distance be run that is 109m short of a full classic mile. Nor has a runner in a 1500m race completed a full mile, by an even greater margin. Lots can happen in the last stretch of a race to spoil what most assumed would be a stellar time.
No matter how fast Dalton Hengst's 1500m and 1600m races have been, they WERE NOT MILE RACES, and THEY WERE SHORT OF A MILE DISTANCE. His 3:45 1500m race time is exciting, and very, very promising, but for all anyone knows, it would have ended in a 4:13.25 tie-up-and-die disaster.
It may not have ended that way, of course; had a 1500m or 1600m race continued onward to the full mile distance, Hengst may have finished in an even faster mile time than the conversion table (MileSplit) predicts. Let's take Brodey Hasty this winter, for example.
In the Dr Sanders Invitational on Jan 26 or 27, Hasty was timed in both the 1500m and the mile. Here are his times:
1500m: actual time was 3:47.39...which converts to only a 4:05.51 mile.
Mile: actual time was 4:03.26...which converts to a 3:45.31 1500m.
Note how his actual 1500m time was not a good predictor of his final mile time -- because he GOT FASTER in the last 109m.
In the 111th Millrose Games HS Men's Unseeded Mile on Feb 3, Hasty was again timed in both the 1500m and the mile. Here are his times:
1500m: actual time was 3:43.74...which converts to only a 4:01.57 mile.
Mile: actual time was 4:00.05...which converts to a 3:42.33.
Again note how his actual 1500m time was not a good predictor of his final mile time -- because he GOT FASTER in the last 109m.
So it is worthless to use a 1500m time, or a 1600m time, as an indicator of what a runner -- Hengst -- would have run over a full mile. He may have been a monster those last 109m, or he may have imploded. A 1500m or 1600m time shows potential, certainly, but we shouldn't get wrapped up in believing that such a time equates to a certain mile time.
THE BOTTOM LINE, and nobody except his detractors will disagree, is that Hengst ran a damn good 1500m, and it is encouraging towards reaching a goal of a legitimate sub-4 mile, run either in high school or beyond.
You have no concept of how conversions work. You have no business discussing the topic.
Any updates on his NCAA eligibility?
Converter wrote:
You have no concept of how conversions work. You have no business discussing the topic.
Now, we'll just let others ponder over that, won't we, Cornholer?
Converter wrote:
Lapped Miler wrote:
A runner who didn't complete a marathon, for whatever reason (including terrorism, sad to say), cannot rightfully claim to have run a full marathon. A runner in a 1600m race has not completed a full mile, not because of his/her own fault, but because of the political nature of a sport that demands a distance be run that is 109m short of a full classic mile. Nor has a runner in a 1500m race completed a full mile, by an even greater margin. Lots can happen in the last stretch of a race to spoil what most assumed would be a stellar time.
No matter how fast Dalton Hengst's 1500m and 1600m races have been, they WERE NOT MILE RACES, and THEY WERE SHORT OF A MILE DISTANCE. His 3:45 1500m race time is exciting, and very, very promising, but for all anyone knows, it would have ended in a 4:13.25 tie-up-and-die disaster.
It may not have ended that way, of course; had a 1500m or 1600m race continued onward to the full mile distance, Hengst may have finished in an even faster mile time than the conversion table (MileSplit) predicts. Let's take Brodey Hasty this winter, for example.
In the Dr Sanders Invitational on Jan 26 or 27, Hasty was timed in both the 1500m and the mile. Here are his times:
1500m: actual time was 3:47.39...which converts to only a 4:05.51 mile.
Mile: actual time was 4:03.26...which converts to a 3:45.31 1500m.
Note how his actual 1500m time was not a good predictor of his final mile time -- because he GOT FASTER in the last 109m.
In the 111th Millrose Games HS Men's Unseeded Mile on Feb 3, Hasty was again timed in both the 1500m and the mile. Here are his times:
1500m: actual time was 3:43.74...which converts to only a 4:01.57 mile.
Mile: actual time was 4:00.05...which converts to a 3:42.33.
Again note how his actual 1500m time was not a good predictor of his final mile time -- because he GOT FASTER in the last 109m.
So it is worthless to use a 1500m time, or a 1600m time, as an indicator of what a runner -- Hengst -- would have run over a full mile. He may have been a monster those last 109m, or he may have imploded. A 1500m or 1600m time shows potential, certainly, but we shouldn't get wrapped up in believing that such a time equates to a certain mile time.
THE BOTTOM LINE, and nobody except his detractors will disagree, is that Hengst ran a damn good 1500m, and it is encouraging towards reaching a goal of a legitimate sub-4 mile, run either in high school or beyond.
You have no concept of how conversions work. You have no business discussing the topic.
Wow, you thoroughly cleared that up with a painstaking point-by-point rebuttal refuting Lapped Miler. Oh, my bad,! Yours was not a rebuttal but the work of a butthead!
Of course Hasty got faster from 1500 to mile in the same races: he was kicking at the end. Had he run a 1500m race that day, instead of a mile, he would have had a roughly similar kick from 1400 to 1500 as he had from 1500 to 1609. That in itself doesn't mean that the 1.08x conversion is unreliable. In fact, though, with numerous opportunities every year, most of the elites run slower miles than 1500s if you use the 1.08x conversion. I believe that this is a mental thing more than a physical thing, but as the Algerian Lion stated, the mile is a bit far for someone concentrating on speed training.
Proof of opportunity: circuit miles include Pre, London, Oslo, often in the past Rome, and usually another.
About five a year and we haven't had a sub 3:47 other than Webb since 2005, but we almost always have sub 3:30.
When is Hengst's possible teammate running a 1500 or mile outdoors? Josh Hoey ran 1:47 800m indoors for a national high school record. The latter should definitely run sub 4 this year.
I saw here that Josh Hoey ran 1:48.72 recently.
Hengst and Hasty will be breaking records unattached. Maybe we need even another category of records. Must be the year of the H with Hengst, Hoey, Hasty.