• BeeTeeSee
      • Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/19/2018 11:18PM
      • BeeTeeSee
      • Jager almost walked down in the last 50m by virtual unknown in a 13:25 race. Shouldn't be struggling in the last 400m like that. Hope that was just a typical rust buster.

        Editor's note: WE made the title more descriptive. It was initially "Jager looked BAD"
    • Speaker of Hard Truth
      • RE: Jager looked BAD 4/20/2018 3:28AM - in reply to BeeTeeSee
      • Speaker of Hard Truth
      • BeeTeeSee wrote:

        Jager almost walked down in the last 50m by virtual unknown in a 13:25 race. Shouldn't be struggling in the last 400m like that. Hope that was just a typical rust buster.

        Rust buster. Some go better than others.
    • runn
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      • RE: Jager looked BAD 4/20/2018 5:37AM - in reply to BeeTeeSee
      • runn
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      • It's a long season- he'll be peaking in Europe this August.
        These races don't matter- they're just part of the long plan.
    • BeeTeeSee
      • RE: Jager looked BAD 4/20/2018 7:20AM - in reply to runn
      • BeeTeeSee
      • runn wrote:

        It's a long season- he'll be peaking in Europe this August.
        These races don't matter- they're just part of the long plan.

        Hope so. Looked strong until Lomong dropped.
    • what? me worry?
      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 8:38AM - in reply to BeeTeeSee
      • what? me worry?
      • Why worry about performances of a pro athlete whom we are not acquainted with?
    • bla bla bla bla bla
      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 8:39AM - in reply to BeeTeeSee
      • bla bla bla bla bla
      • Was the "virtual unknown" Coebra? He's finally rounding in to form!
    • vivalarepublica
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      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 8:40AM - in reply to BeeTeeSee
      • vivalarepublica
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      • Should we be worried? Probably not. But maybe Jager should be worried.
    • leroybrown
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      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 8:47AM - in reply to BeeTeeSee
      • leroybrown
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      • BeeTeeSee wrote:

        Jager almost walked down in the last 50m by virtual unknown in a 13:25 race. Shouldn't be struggling in the last 400m like that. Hope that was just a typical rust buster.

        [i]Editor's note: WE made the title more descriptive. It was initially "Jager looked BAD"[/u]

        It's April, it's a low-key meet, and he probably trained through it. I don't see any reason for concern.
    • Poor po
      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 9:05AM - in reply to BeeTeeSee
      • Poor po
      • Since when is winning a season opener in 13:24 reason for concern?
    • ghasdffddfdsa
      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 9:12AM - in reply to Poor po
      • ghasdffddfdsa
      • Poor po wrote:

        Since when is winning a season opener in 13:24 reason for concern?

        I don't want Jager to be in top form in Mid April.
    • idiots....
      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 10:00AM - in reply to ghasdffddfdsa
      • idiots....
      • over the years, i've closely tracked our runners and the difference you get in a race (or specific workout) when the legs are loaded vs. unloaded (mini-taper) and the effect is about 1 to 2%. This is an important factor to have your finger on as a coach.
        Interestingly, this fits with much of the studies on tapering (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17762369 ).

        A 2% difference on Jager's time tonight brings him down to about 13:10 to 13:15...and one obviously assumes the has completely trained through this race (given it is mid-April).
    • PeteMesquite89
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      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 10:51AM - in reply to ghasdffddfdsa
      • PeteMesquite89
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      • ghasdffddfdsa wrote:

        Poor po wrote:

        Since when is winning a season opener in 13:24 reason for concern?

        I don't want Jager to be in top form in Mid April.

        I'm guessing that Evan and Jerry Schumacher consider Evan's performance last night to be right on track with where they want him to be at this point in the season. And it's a 13:25! If he had limped home in 14:25 or slower I think we could be a little more worried.
    • NFW
      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 10:58AM - in reply to PeteMesquite89
      • NFW
      • As many posters have pointed out, it's April and his first race of the season. He did all of the work the last 1600 and only faltered the last 100 meters.

        Should we be worried that Jager is on pace to have a poor season, probably not.

        Better question, was this a benchmark that indicates Evan has made significant improvements in the offseason, definitely not.
    • PrZ
      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 4:00PM - in reply to Kipkemboi.
      • PrZ
      • Typically a 1500 guy (3:37 PR), and I don’t think he really runs the 5k much. He did have a 13:34 PR before this though. Euro U23 xc champ in 2016 and is one of the best in Belgium. Originally from Kenya I think.
    • PrZ
      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 4:01PM - in reply to PrZ
      • PrZ
      • PrZ wrote:

        Typically a 1500 guy (3:37 PR), and I don’t think he really runs the 5k much. He did have a 13:34 PR before this though. Euro U23 xc champ in 2016 and is one of the best in Belgium. Originally from Kenya I think.

        Referring to Isaac Kimeli
    • Hounddogharrier
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      • RE: Should we be worried? Jager looked BAD running 13:25 tonight. 4/20/2018 4:10PM - in reply to bla bla bla bla bla
      • Hounddogharrier
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      • [quote]bla bla bla bla bla wrote:

        Was the "virtual unknown" Coebra? He's finally rounding in to form![/quote

        Only if he warmed up with a set of 367 meter runs on a treadmill followed by a 3.16 run at 8:46 pace