Looks like this is the end of self - driving cars folks. Thanks to Uber and Tesla for screwing everything up with their negligence. After Uber's gross negligence killed a pedestrian last week, now we see that Tesla's self driving car technology was operating when it crashed the car and killed its driving on clearly visible roads.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/30/17182824/tesla-model-x-crash-autopilot-statement
Car Mechanics wrote:
Looks like this is the end of self - driving cars folks. Thanks to Uber and Tesla for screwing everything up with their negligence. After Uber's gross negligence killed a pedestrian last week, now we see that Tesla's self driving car technology was operating when it crashed the car and killed its driving on clearly visible roads.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/30/17182824/tesla-model-x-crash-autopilot-statement
What? How is this bad for self driving cars? The idiot driver ignored warnings that the car was giving him to PUT HIS HANDS BACK ON THE WHEEL. He did not oblige, and he hit a barrier because of it. And the reason he hit a barrier? Because he damaged sensors in the car from a prior accident he had gotten into. It sounds like he should not have been driving any vehicle at any point at all.
These self driving cars are way less prone to accidents that your average person, and 9 times out of 10, the accident in these scenarios is caused by an outside party, not the self driving car.
Read closer Musk fanboy. The car was fully functioning, no damage from anything before. If you actually read the article, you will see that it was a road barrier removed from a previous car at that site. So Tesla cars suck at recognizing changes.
Car Mechanics wrote:
Read closer Musk fanboy. The car was fully functioning, no damage from anything before. If you actually read the article, you will see that it was a road barrier removed from a previous car at that site. So Tesla cars suck at recognizing changes.
"Tesla said the reason the crash was so severe was because the attenuator had been crushed in a prior accident without being replaced."
Also, like I said before, self driving functions such as these are much better at preventing accidents that humans are. I'll probably never own a tesla, but I am also not blindly hating the technology and finding articles to fit my own narrative without reading them. Get over yourself.
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Look up what an attenuator is and stay in school. An attenuator is the crash barrier, not part of the car. Tesla is basically out of the self driving game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuator_(electronics)#Construction_and_usageCar Mechanics wrote:
Look up what an attenuator is and stay in school. An attenuator is the crash barrier, not part of the car. Tesla is basically out of the self driving game.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
"Tesla said the reason the crash was so severe was because the attenuator had been crushed in a prior accident without being replaced."
Here's a hint dummy:
http://www.lindsay.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/0/7c754b6f516e0aaf03a2d54129a03a71/image/_resized/80_824_325_xmashero2.pngThat pic I grabbed is a "Median Attenuator" | Road Traffic Safety | Barrier Systems
joshmo wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuator_(electronics)#Construction_and_usageCar Mechanics wrote:
Look up what an attenuator is and stay in school. An attenuator is the crash barrier, not part of the car. Tesla is basically out of the self driving game.
Don't they teach reading comprehension in school these days? Tesla tweeted a picture of the attenuator and it is a crash barrier, not an electronic component of the car. You guys are as bad as Tesla's software.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
What? How is this bad for self driving cars? The idiot driver ignored warnings that the car was giving him to PUT HIS HANDS BACK ON THE WHEEL. He did not oblige, and he hit a barrier because of it. And the reason he hit a barrier? Because he damaged sensors in the car from a prior accident he had gotten into. It sounds like he should not have been driving any vehicle at any point at all.
These self driving cars are way less prone to accidents that your average person, and 9 times out of 10, the accident in these scenarios is caused by an outside party, not the self driving car.
If you read Tesla's statement carefully, the car was NOT warning him to put his hands back on the wheel at the time of the crash. The warning had occurred earlier during the drive, but not immediately leading to the crash. Tesla's wording in the statement seems deliberately meant to be interpreted wrong, like the way that you took it. It says he had his hands off the wheel for the 6 seconds prior to the crash, which is probably not enough time to get the warning again.
The Tesla didn't see the concrete divider for some reason, and drove directly into it without slowing. The driver's family said that the driver had complained to a Tesla dealer that the car was wanting to drive itself into that very same barrier 7-10 times on earlier trips. Tesla says it hadn't found that complaint registered at the dealer, but maybe they need interview people at the dealer to see what they remember. The driver was clearly foolish to continue to use Autopilot on that portion of his commute. If it were me, I'd never use it again at all if it once tried to drive me into something solid.
Tesla's system is not full self driving, though they claim then when it's fully developed, they'll be able to turn it on in current cars with current systems. I have real doubts about that, since they don't have lidar.
Driver assisted steering that can't do it all, and gets confused at on/off ramps, merges, construction zones, curvy road, etc. are sketchy in my opinion. They can only decrease reaction time and increase distraction, yet the driver is supposed to the completely responsible in the event of an accident.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2018/03/29/tesla-autopilot-huang-family.htmlWalter Huang. Good grief.
I've explained to y'all a million times how impossible it is to make AI perform complex tasks reliably. How the more elaborate you make it, the more can and will go wrong. But did you listen? No, and look what happened.
zzzz wrote:
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
What? How is this bad for self driving cars? The idiot driver ignored warnings that the car was giving him to PUT HIS HANDS BACK ON THE WHEEL. He did not oblige, and he hit a barrier because of it. And the reason he hit a barrier? Because he damaged sensors in the car from a prior accident he had gotten into. It sounds like he should not have been driving any vehicle at any point at all.
These self driving cars are way less prone to accidents that your average person, and 9 times out of 10, the accident in these scenarios is caused by an outside party, not the self driving car.
If you read Tesla's statement carefully, the car was NOT warning him to put his hands back on the wheel at the time of the crash. The warning had occurred earlier during the drive, but not immediately leading to the crash. Tesla's wording in the statement seems deliberately meant to be interpreted wrong, like the way that you took it. It says he had his hands off the wheel for the 6 seconds prior to the crash, which is probably not enough time to get the warning again.
The Tesla didn't see the concrete divider for some reason, and drove directly into it without slowing. The driver's family said that the driver had complained to a Tesla dealer that the car was wanting to drive itself into that very same barrier 7-10 times on earlier trips. Tesla says it hadn't found that complaint registered at the dealer, but maybe they need interview people at the dealer to see what they remember. The driver was clearly foolish to continue to use Autopilot on that portion of his commute. If it were me, I'd never use it again at all if it once tried to drive me into something solid.
Tesla's system is not full self driving, though they claim then when it's fully developed, they'll be able to turn it on in current cars with current systems. I have real doubts about that, since they don't have lidar.
Driver assisted steering that can't do it all, and gets confused at on/off ramps, merges, construction zones, curvy road, etc. are sketchy in my opinion. They can only decrease reaction time and increase distraction, yet the driver is supposed to the completely responsible in the event of an accident.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2018/03/29/tesla-autopilot-huang-family.html
Computers are not ready for this yet, stop trying to push the agenda already will you. Think about your PC and how many times it crashes or gets a virus after a couple of years. If we can't master that then why in the world would we let computers control our cars. Shove it back 20 years and let's focus on more important areas.
Rono. wrote:
Computers are not ready for this yet, stop trying to push the agenda already will you. Think about your PC and how many times it crashes or gets a virus after a couple of years. If we can't master that then why in the world would we let computers control our cars. Shove it back 20 years and let's focus on more important areas.
Apparently you can't read, because I'm not pushing the self driving car agenda, I'm generally critical of it.
In 2065, when AI becomes intelligent enough to make food for humans then humanity will be fucked.
Automatic vehicles will be prolific by 2025 and deaths will drop substantially starting 2020 as self driving vehicles become the norm.
40,100 people in USA killed in 2017.
zzzz wrote:
Rono. wrote:
Computers are not ready for this yet, stop trying to push the agenda already will you. Think about your PC and how many times it crashes or gets a virus after a couple of years. If we can't master that then why in the world would we let computers control our cars. Shove it back 20 years and let's focus on more important areas.
Apparently you can't read, because I'm not pushing the self driving car agenda, I'm generally critical of it.
Yep I know, I was adding to your stance.
Kubrick and Clarke were sounding the warning decades earlier.
No, it's NOT the end of self-driving cars. All new major technology in transporation throughout history were very fatal in their days of infancy. There used to be a lot more airplane crashes when airplanes first came out. Over time, engineers learn from the errors of the past and now we hardly ever hear of any plane crashes. Same goes for trains. Self-driving cars are in their infancy.
Car Mechanics wrote:
Looks like this is the end of self - driving cars folks. Thanks to Uber and Tesla for screwing everything up with their negligence. After Uber's gross negligence killed a pedestrian last week, now we see that Tesla's self driving car technology was operating when it crashed the car and killed its driving on clearly visible roads.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/30/17182824/tesla-model-x-crash-autopilot-statement
I dont think driverless cars can help it if a fool jumps off the sidewalk onto the road. They aren't magic, the simple rules of physics will apply.
