NEED HELP FINDING 1500m ALL-TIME LIST FOR MASTERS

There really isn't one. I ran 4:00 as a 40 year old and couldn't find any kind of list. At 45, I would like to see a list for that group but there just isn't one.

Tell me if you find it. My 4:00.7 at 46 ought to be worth something

I thought the american record for over 45 was 4;01, don't tell me it's a full second faster!!

You'll never find a very good one.

My mate Nat Fisher ran 3:56 as a 40 year old back in the 70s but it's not listed anywhere. He also did a 2:20 effectively solo in the Harlow marathon at 43. Can't see that either.

He ran a world lead as a 60 year old too of 4:33 but can't find that. I know he made the world final the next year but didn't win due to not being able to train more than once or twice a week but still ran in the 4:30s at 62 off of that. Some people are just born to run!

sac master wrote:

I thought the american record for over 45 was 4;01, don't tell me it's a full second faster!!

You masters runners are funny.

Always thinking that you have some shot at an "american" masters recrod, or a "top world masters" time, etc, because you've seen some bogus list that shows some slow times as being the best for your age group.

THIS IS FOR EVERYONE: the masters lists are a sham. LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of top times are never submitted, or get stuck on some silly paperwork, and thus never make the "official lists". Tony Young's best times are not even listed yet, right?

So don't get too excited about any masters recrords, because

A) you will never REALLY know where you stand on those lists

B) Likely many more people in your age-group have run faster than you than you think. TRUST ME on that one.

But if going around telling people "i am one of the fastest 45-49 year olds ever in the 1500" when you don't know that is true, and deep down know that it is likely NOT true, makes you feel good, then by all means continue your ego charade.

Very True.

Nonetheless sub 4 is very good for a 40 plus master still and 4:30 odd for someone in their 60s ain't bad either!

Heres an answer for USA

Here are some lists that Jim Sorensen has researched and come up with.

Best US Time for age...

35....... 3:37.34 S Scott

36....... 3:39.52 S Scott

37....... 3:42.46 J Spivey

38........no times found

39........no times found

40....... 3:47.06 S Scott

41....... 3:46.43 T Young

42....... 3:48.81 T Young

Best times for 35-39...

3:37.52 S Scott 35

3:39.52 S Scott 36

3:40.09 J Spivey 35

3:40.83 S Scott 35

3:41.1 J Spivey 36

3:41.29 D Padilla 35

3:41.86 M Luevano 36

3:42.46 J Spivey 37

3:42.4 J Sorensen 36

3:43.55 S Plascencia 35

Just for the record, below are also Jim Sorensen's times since turning 35.

02 3:44.47 35

03 3:42.4 36

04 3:43.85 37

05 3:45.09 38 (so far for 05)

The world best ever is 3:44.89 for masters 40+

Also 3:45.3h indoor, Coglhan (any split on his sub 4:00?)

Hope Sorensen gets in a few faster heats this year, he will go faster at least a couple of seconds.

Here is the top ten for 35-39 in the world

http://web.telia.com/~u19603668/masters-atb.htm

Those are not all correct

Age 36 3.33.91 Mike Boit KEN 490106 4 Zürich 850821

He was less then .3 off his all time best at age 36!

other lists:

http://www.gbrathletics.com/wrecm.htm

skate wrote:

Those are not all correct

Age 36 3.33.91 Mike Boit KEN 490106 4 Zürich 850821

He was less then .3 off his all time best at age 36!

other lists:

http://www.gbrathletics.com/wrecm.htm

When was Mike Boit a U.S. citizen?

Never said he was. Look at the post. I first stated that they were not all correct. Then went on to list a 36 year old guy who ran a fast 1500. I never meant to compare the two. You made the jump and thought I was listing boit with the AR list. Had nothing to do with it.

by the way the AR list is not 100% correct.

Boit not an American, much faster then anyone on the AR list.

Scott for example was slightly faster with a 3.37.34

at age 35. Looks like one more mistake as well, let me investigate, then I think I will have a word with JS about his list.

I got that same list in an e-mail Friday night from Sorensen. Have you checked back with him on the accuracy?

Today in Brisbane 86 year old Bob Horman ran 58:30 for 10k.

This adds to his 4:34:00 marathon last year and 2:05:00 Half. Is there a site somewhere that lists times and records for seniors? I believe Bob's marathon time is a world best for his age group.

Yifter the shifter won a medal at age 36, and ironically he did with an incredible kick...who knew middle aged men were capable of that?

-Soup

skate wrote:

Never said he was. Look at the post. I first stated that they were not all correct. Then went on to list a 36 year old guy who ran a fast 1500. I never meant to compare the two. You made the jump and thought I was listing boit with the AR list. Had nothing to do with it.

by the way the AR list is not 100% correct.

Boit not an American, much faster then anyone on the AR list.

Oh, so you are saying that the list of American 35-39 times is incorrect, but present no evidence at all to support this statement, then throw in the Boit time, which is irrelevant to a discussion of AMERICAN times in the event. Gotcha.

To the original poster: While it is true that for various reasons, the listed records are often unrepresentative for various reasons, you can get a very good take on the situation by studying Dave Clingan's lists at

http://www.masterstrack.com/rankings.html

Dave is remarkably thorough, considering that he is working as a volunteer (he has on a few occasions listed what were for me embarassing times in obscure meets; I was hoping he would miss them, but no luck!). Also, back issues of National Masters News have very deep results of World/US meets. You will soon figure out that while the listed records are often not THE best time run for the distance, there are not "LOTSANDLOTSANDLOTs..." of times better than the listed records. Actually, in the older age groups (45 and above), the records are quite accurate, as they are usually set in National Championships, rather than in open meets, as many of the 40-44 times are. And the "benchmark" records, such as Coghlan's 3:58 mile or Johnny Gray's

1:48 800 ARE the best times EVER run at those distances for over-40's, period. Performances like these are the basis of the WAVA tables, which take into account the best quality information available on masters' performances, regardless of listed records.

While some of the age 40-44 records may be "soft" by underreporting, there is an opposite phenomenon, exemplified by cases like Eddy Hellebuyk on the roads, where drug use is actually inflating the performances of top masters' runners. I personally consider suspect many of the marks laid down by eastern European women in the distances. Thankfully, Regina Jacobs was shut down on the eve of her 40th birthday. And of course, no sprinters or throwers

over-40 would ever consider drug use *cough cough*

Off the top of my head, the top U.S. 40-44 1500 list will look like: Tony Young, 3:46; Larry Almberg 3:47; John Hinton 3:48. No one else under 3:50 in the past ten years, to my knowledge. I'm sure Tony can come in here and give more detailed info, for instance as to why he has not submitted his 3:46 for ratification.

Dave is doing a great job with the annual US lists, but I look forward to the day when WMA brings there world stats up to par, and when someone finally starts working on "all-time" depth lists for each event, as you are seeking. This is a project where a motivated individual (as yourself?) can at least flesh out times in a specific event and age range, as Jim Sorensen obviously has.

pointing out how slow the American list really is.

Looks like the 3:37.34 threw me off, it was listed right, then re-listed wrong in the second list.

Also what I meant by incorrect was of course there are listed times for age 38 and 39 americans. You know I think I remember Jgray running a 1500 or a mile at age 39. those two ages just have to be investigated a bit more.