Is there any 1500 time that allows for this particular boast?
Is there any 1500 time that allows for this particular boast?
A bit of a stretch wrote:
Is there any 1500 time that allows for this particular boast?
In my mind, if you run a 3:42 then you have sub 4 ability and I would give you the same respect that I would give any sub 4 caliber runner.
But, until you actually break 4, you aren't a sub 4 miler.
observer_of_things wrote:
A bit of a stretch wrote:
Is there any 1500 time that allows for this particular boast?
In my mind, if you run a 3:42 then you have sub 4 ability and I would give you the same respect that I would give any sub 4 caliber runner.
But, until you actually break 4, you aren't a sub 4 miler.
^^^^Agreed
If you ran 3:42, and care about the sub-4 mile, what’s stopping you from entering a mile race and doing it?
I think with non-runners it would be intellectually fair to say that you were a sub-4 miler if you'd run 3:42.1 for the 1500m. At 3:42.9, probably not, but you could call yourself a 4 minute miler, and very few would even see anything in that distinction.
With other runners, I think you should stick to 3:42 1500m runner.
The days are over when I could try again. The races I did at the time were almost all 1500m with the exception of some indoor mile races (which may have been 1600 for all I know) at which I ran a best of 401.
So I’m left with this 1500 but the rest of the world asks about the mile.
3:42 is cutting it fine, you might not break 4 in a race.
The 4:00 minute mile equivalent based upon the commonly used 1.08 conversion is 3:42.2.
I think you need 3:41 low to make sure but 3:40 to be absolutely certain.
People forget you need to go through 1500m in 3:43 to break 4 for the mile. A 3:42 runner could easily turn up to a 1500m race and not run under 3:44 that day, for many reasons.
Also it depends what kind of runner you are. If your 800m is 1:47 you probably wouldn't break 4. If it's 1:50 you probably would.
No matter how low my 1500m time I would not refer to myself as a sub-4 miler without breaking the barrier. That barrier is magical for a reason.
Did you run 3:42.00 or 3:42.99? Using the 1.08 rule that would predict a 3:59.76-4:00.83. If you were to run a legit 3:59 mile, how would you feel if a 4:01 miler was going around claiming the same accomplishment? I think you should run 1-2 seconds faster before you think about even hinting that you are a sub-4 miler. Even then, I would say something like "The mile is rarely run so it is tough to achieve your best performance on the day, but my time for 1500m, a similar event, is not far off from being in sub-4:00 shape".
Those with knowledge of track and field will understand and respect your impressive 1500m time.
The other 99% of the population... it won't matter. Because half of the people in your office probably ran a 4 min mile too. Some just did it this morning on the treadmill.
Kenenisa Bekele is not a sub 4 minute miler. Sure, he ran 3:32 1500, a 4:50 2k (3:53 pace) and a 7:25 3k (3:59 pace), however he never ran a mile under 4.
ex-runner
Also it depends what kind of runner you are. If your 800m is 1:47 you probably wouldn't break 4. If it's 1:50 you probably would.
What
If he ran 4:50 for 2k, he most certainly has run a mile under 4 minutes.
You can people anything you want. You can be a 3:59 1500 runner and tell people you’re a sub 4 miler. They don't know and don’t care. Only runners will know you aren’t.
I think I speak for all sub-4 milers when I say...No. No you cannot.
You haven't done it until you've done it.
Sorry.
FrenchDawg wrote:
ex-runner
Also it depends what kind of runner you are. If your 800m is 1:47 you probably wouldn't break 4. If it's 1:50 you probably would.
What
I think he is saying that between two 3:42 1500m runners the guy with the 1:50 PR is more likely to break 4:00 than the guy with a 1:47 PR.
The 1:47 guy may have achieved his 3:42 by having very good speed but may struggle over the last 109m
The 1:50 guy may have achieved his 3:42 by having better endurance, and the last 109m wouldn't be a problem.
Not saying I agree, but that is what he is saying.
I Chose D2 wrote:
If you ran 3:42, and care about the sub-4 mile, what’s stopping you from entering a mile race and doing it?
My PR is 3:42.1
Using the 1.08 standard that converts to 3:59.9
I never say I was a sub 4 miler.
I will say sub 4 conversion, but never sub 4 miler.
My reason for not entering a mile race and doing it was that I was always chasing a USATF 1500 standard.
Plus all of the good outdoor races are 1500m and that is when I was in peak shape.
Looking back, maybe I should have done one more year of running and only trying to get in good mile races. But they were still rare.
Indoors is the way to go, but I was better later in the year.
What's wrong with being a 4:01 miler? Most people will assume you could have broken 4 anyway
klodo wrote:
FrenchDawg wrote:
What
I think he is saying that between two 3:42 1500m runners the guy with the 1:50 PR is more likely to break 4:00 than the guy with a 1:47 PR.
The 1:47 guy may have achieved his 3:42 by having very good speed but may struggle over the last 109m
The 1:50 guy may have achieved his 3:42 by having better endurance, and the last 109m wouldn't be a problem.
Not saying I agree, but that is what he is saying.
Yes that's what I'm saying. The extra 109m is actually a reasonable distance and hanging on for that extra bit does require endurance, it isn't insignificant like some people assume.
A speed based runner, say a 1:46/1:47 guy, might struggle over that last section if his 1500m PB is only 3:42. For them, going through 1500 in 3:43 and continuing at the same pace for another straight would be tough.
Well, I fall into this category the OP talks about. I ran under 3:42, six times, but my best mile was 4:00.2.
I don't call myself a sub-4 minute miler. It's binary, either you are under or you are not.
IIRC, Ford Palmer once ran the only perfect 4 minute mile, going 4:00.000, but that is still not a sub-4.
I think starting on the turn can make it a bit harder to have a smooth first lap. Especially in races with big fields (Mt SAC, etc).
observer_of_things wrote:
A bit of a stretch wrote:
Is there any 1500 time that allows for this particular boast?
In my mind, if you run a 3:42 then you have sub 4 ability and I would give you the same respect that I would give any sub 4 caliber runner.
But, until you actually break 4, you aren't a sub 4 miler.
I have to agree with this, even though there is a good chance you could have broken 4, but if you haven't actually run the race and achieved that time, you can't claim that you did it. However, I give an equal respect to you for running 3:42, which is a phenomenal time as well. Even though the mile is a pretty universal distance, I think you are underestimating the amount of people around the world who would understand the 1500 distance.