Why not 1500m/3000m at high school meets in America?

They should do the full mile and full two mile. It just takes two more stripes on a track.

I would not want to sit through a poor boy who isn't good enough for the two mile have to run 25 laps in 40 minutes (or girl 45 minutes) because it is a conference meet and they need the points. High school track meets are too long as is.

NY girls do 1500/3000

Boys 1600/3200

I agree it should be the 1500/3000

But I'd like to see 1 mile in some invitationals with a conversion time for qualifying.

I am sure the distances of 1600m & 3200m were used in US middle schools and high schools initially because in the late 70's in US there were nearly equal the number of 440yd. tracks and 400m tracks. Now, most of the 440yd. tracks are either abandoned or they're in middle schools. In 2018, 1500m & 3000m for high school would be a great idea. Kill the imperial measurements.

5000m & 10000m in high school is too much. High school track meets would have to be an additional 75 minutes at a minimum. Often meets are during the school week. Not practical to add 5000m & 10000m in high school.

Reading comments on LetsRun over the years, already 1600m & 3200m guys seem to be a separate culture from the rest of the track & field team, especially 3200m guys who cannot run a sub-60 400m. At least now, the 1600m guys/gals have to overlap training every now and then with 800m guys/gals. The 400m/800m athletes interact with the entire team: 100m/200m sprinters, jumpers and throwers. Often the 100m, 200m, 400m, jumpers and throwers played youth baseball or basketball or soccer or Am. football together. 5000m & 10000m runners in high school, would be too much, "Us against the world culture." That can wait until college.

From a spectator standpoint, the 5k and 10k would be an absolute nightmare. I think there would be riots if parents had to watch the JV freshman girls 10k. However I wouldn't be too apposed to having some 5k's at a few meets (it would be like the 10k in college where it's not really run at the smaller meets as often)

10ks and 5ks are too much. High School bodies are still young, and they would have to increase their training to deal with those distances on a regular basis.

Leave everything as is. That extra 100 to 300 meters helps, and they make their way to running longer distances in college.

1500/3000 wouldn't work, because most high school coaches are too stupid to figure out the starts, and too lazy to walk back and forth. Also most high school kids are out of shape and can't run for more than a minute, so they prefer really short stuff.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

10ks and 5ks are too much. High School bodies are still young, and they would have to increase their training to deal with those distances on a regular basis.

Leave everything as is. That extra 100 to 300 meters helps, and they make their way to running longer distances in college.

But all the distance runners are already running the 5k for xc so why not let them do it on the track

Run mans wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

10ks and 5ks are too much. High School bodies are still young, and they would have to increase their training to deal with those distances on a regular basis.

Leave everything as is. That extra 100 to 300 meters helps, and they make their way to running longer distances in college.

But all the distance runners are already running the 5k for xc so why not let them do it on the track

exactly. So why add on more? XC is basically used for off season training, so when true track season comes around, volume is lowered, and intensity is increased.

Runners would get burned out.

The 1600 and 3200 distances are metric distances that approximate the mile and two mile, but it seems to be an out-dated compromise between metric and imperial. The National Federation of High School athletics and/or the state high school governing bodies are the ones who can make the change to race distances.

I personally like the 1600m and 3200m because they are a perfect 4 and 8 laps. Also there's a 5000m at HS nationals that you can qualify for with 3200m or two mile times.

This is such a stupid debate because 1600 and 3200 are the obvious and sensible middle distances for a 400 meter track. They are the binary progression after 800 meters. And they are the closest metric approximation to the old mile, much easier and more reliable to convert.

1500 is a better metric standard why? So you can take splits every 500 meters? Many coaches are too fat to roam around yelling splits from different places.

After 3200, that should be it. No 10,000 and no 5,000, both are jokes.

Bad Wigins wrote:

This is such a stupid debate because 1600 and 3200 are the obvious and sensible middle distances for a 400 meter track. They are the binary progression after 800 meters.

Bad Wigins has spoken. Bring on the Olympic 1600m and 3200m run. While we are at it, let's toss in the 6400m run.

While we are doing binary, the 51.2km race should replace the marathon.

That won't work .. wrote:

1500/3000 wouldn't work, because most high school coaches are too stupid to figure out the starts, and too lazy to walk back and forth. Also most high school kids are out of shape and can't run for more than a minute, so they prefer really short stuff.

Our state does the 1500/3000. It works perfectly.

Those who are advocating we run the mile: why do you not also call for the quarter mile and half mile to be run? I mean, the same argument that you make for run in the mile on a 400m track can be made for those too, righ? Just run a lap and 2.3 meters. Just run two laps and an extra 4.5 meters.

I guess I'm asking you to either shut up and accept that we now have 400m tracks and the mile is gone, or be consistent and demand we run Imperial distances across the board.

I for one love the 1600m. Four laps. That's it. Splits are easy and the time is close enough to the mile to convert in your head without trouble. The 1500m always felt weird to me. Why run that distance on a 400m track. It's the ONLY international race that starts at a weird spot (can't count steeple because your not using the whole track) and it is just plain akward. What can't the international distance be 1600?

Sara Palin wrote:

They should do the full mile and full two mile. It just takes two more stripes on a track.

I would not want to sit through a poor boy who isn't good enough for the two mile have to run 25 laps in 40 minutes (or girl 45 minutes) because it is a conference meet and they need the points. High school track meets are too long as is.

What on earth does this mean?

I know that in NY, when they went metric (early 80's) the boys and girls were part of two separate national federations.

The boy's did 16/32, the girl's 15/3.

There is only one federation now but they kept the distances and it gets discussed every year.

The way it goes is this:

Preseason meeting:

Q. Why don't the boys and girls run the same?

A. Let's table that until the post season meeting, it's too late to change it now anyway.

Postseason meeting:

Q. Let's discuss the boys and girls running the same.

A. Let's table that until the end of today's meeting, we have too much to discuss about the season just past.

Discuss the season, people get pissed over disagreements and go home.

No discussion about the 1500/3000

The1500m/3000m at high school meets in America because 500/3000 wouldn't work, because most high school coaches are too https://www.grabmyessay.com/samples/category/biology stupid to figure out the starts, and too lazy to walk back and forth

Bad Wigins is right in this case. 3.75 laps is just stupid, and 7.5 is a little better, but not ideal.

Two laps for the "half mile", Four laps for the "mile", and 8 laps for "2 mile". Logically it is the best solution if we stick with 400m tracks.

Now personally, I'd like to see 500m tracks and then we can easily do 1500, 3000, etc, but the 800 would have to change to a 1000.

America needs to go back to running the mile and two mile if you want to increase the popularity of track and field. I ran HS track in the 70's and you might be amazed how popular track and field was compared to today. Prefontaine was a major star. Once the US decided to convert to metric you lost many Americans. No one cares about the 1500, look at how few Americans even know Centrowitz won the "metric" mile in 2016 in the Olympics.