Has anyone in the history of the world ever broken 4:00 in the mile with a shorter longest run than Donavan Brazier?

rojo wrote:

Before I tell you the longest run of his life, please guess.

Don't cheat.

Come on.

Guess.

It's gotta be short based on this post so... 3 miles.

Ok.

Should I tell you. Or wait for like an hour.

Come on. Play along and guess in your head.

Ok here. we go.

Answer is in this:

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/02/learned-boston-whats-boris-berian-christian-coleman-can-run-even-faster-much-money-take-jenny-simpson-race-steeple/

8 miles?

Well, I wasn't close... still very interesting though.

Bannister never did more than like 35 mpw right? I think Chataway never did more than 30. Forgot where I read that though. What's the answer? 4? 5?

I'm never running more than 8 miles ever again.

Okay, I was going to guess six miles, so I was off there.

It would be interesting to know whether Tabori ever ran more than 10km at a stretch. He was an Igloi guy, right? They had some high-volume workouts, I'd guess, but I wonder whether he ever ran continuously for more than a few kilometers.

Marius Bakken ran 13:06 without running more than an hour at a time. Even Coe ran over an hour once in a while.

Bannister ran cross country in the fall where races were up to 10 miles.

The great Mike Boit, who ran a 3:49.45 mile in 1981, supposedly never did any runs longer than 4 miles.

No, I read an article with a writer who ran 6 miles with Boit, not including a warmup.

YMMV wrote:

Marius Bakken ran 13:06 without running more than an hour at a time. Even Coe ran over an hour once in a while.

Total hogwash. His HS workouts were longer than that.

"Has anyone in the history of the world ever broken 4:00 in the mile with a shorter longest run than Donavan Brazier?"

I'm going to guess that Roger Bannister's long run was shorter.

Les wrote:

No, I read an article with a writer who ran 6 miles with Boit, not including a warmup.

I've seen that article as well, but I've also seen Boit himself say in television interviews that he never went over 4 miles. That's why I used the word "supposedly" in my post. Tales of any athlete's training need to be taken with a grain of salt, as they often dissemble to throw off the competition.

Whatever the exact distance of Boit's "long" runs, he was a tremendous outlier and a huge talent with picture-perfect form who was clearly not a high-mileage guy.

portillos shake wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Marius Bakken ran 13:06 without running more than an hour at a time. Even Coe ran over an hour once in a while.

Total hogwash. His HS workouts were longer than that.

Steady running, not workouts. He used to post his training on TNFMedia back in the day. He made a point of "Not longer than an hour". He ran 100+ miles/week though in doubles.

ArthurNotInMyYard wrote:

Les wrote:

No, I read an article with a writer who ran 6 miles with Boit, not including a warmup.

I've seen that article as well, but I've also seen Boit himself say in television interviews that he never went over 4 miles. That's why I used the word "supposedly" in my post. Tales of any athlete's training need to be taken with a grain of salt, as they often dissemble to throw off the competition.

Whatever the exact distance of Boit's "long" runs, he was a tremendous outlier and a huge talent with picture-perfect form who was clearly not a high-mileage guy.

Boit hardly had picture perfect form. He ran like he was carrying a concrete slab. His arms dangled and didn't really swing independently.

My prediction: 7 miles

PortlandXCgirl wrote:

My prediction: 7 miles

Not too far off. Still shocking though. Imagine how many mile-specialist college guys are out there who do 22 mile long runs every weekend and only manage a 4:05.

So the answer is 7.6 ? I don't find that shocking. Total miles are more relevant. I am remember reading (can't confirm accuracy, it *WAS* on let'srun) that Lasse Viren had stretches where he ran lots of triples, of shorter runs 3-5 miles. Still might have been averaging 12 miles a day. But no long runs (during those periods, I am sure he did some/plenty at other times, but the point is: It wasn't necessary to his success).

Someone mentioned igloi. In his lead up to his 5k gold, Schul said he did ZERO continuous runs, i.e. probably didn't run more than a mile continuously. All repeats of 100-150m.

Lastly, I am pretty sure Antonio Cabral (It's been awhile, is that his name?) commented on training of Rui Silva and said his base training was basically pretty hard 40-45 min runs, twice a day. No Long runs. (IF I remember correctly).

Alan Webb when he ran 3:53, how many times did he run over 8 miles? I know his training was pretty low mileage/high quality.

Lastly, Lucas Verzbicas said almost all of his running during track seasons was quality work, and his base work was all swimming/biking. But maybe in cross he went over 8 sometimes.

In short, a really fast 800 guy, young, breaking 4 in the mile without going over 7.5 mile runs? Doesn't shock me/doesn't seem unprecedented.

Borzakovskiy ran 3:40 in the 1500. How many times did he run over 7.5 miles at a time? I don't know.