Road Racing and Training Thread, Week Ending 1/28/18

Forgot to say: yes, my next marathon is in March.

In the nicest way possible, I wonder if you might consider just posting these daily updates in your weekly summary. Or another possibility could be joining the Strava group for more daily feedback. Another possibility could be starting a thread all about you and your runs. You could post in there as frequently as you like. I'm sure that you can imagine that if every runner posted as frequent run stats as you it would make it even more difficult to sort through the thread to find important content. (If you had a race or something of course we'd understand.) While you are mulling it over you could also consider a thank you in there tomorrow to The Stonecutter for providing the Canova schedule that you requested.

“In the nicest way possible,” you manage to slip in both insults, about a thread “all about you [me] and your runs,” and suggesting I post elsewhere, and then insinuating that I am ungrateful to Stone Cutter for something I did not even ask for. Review the thread and you will see...

1. I never, at any time, asked for a Canova schedule

2. Stone Cutter was specifically responding to Working Harder’s questions

3. Stone Cutter has yet to respond to my request for six-day week of training...

...which is also why I have continued with my usual training, as I have yet to be able to look over anything from him, even a basic six lines of text based upon the simple parameters I gave him. I mention that last point in regard to the stab you took at me earlier in the week for continuing with my training.

Further, if my trainig is so awful, then why do I continue to improve every week and across the board? You know, Allen has brought up this issue, and the fact that I do things such as LT runs (long ones, too), and no one has responded to that. Smoove had the decency to correct himself when he realized this about my LT run on Monday.

Keep being sour and nasty, but it proves nothing, and, if anything, only somethng about you. Also, you should avoid saying thngs such as “we’d understand,” as others here may not agree with you.

There are no insults in there. Just food for thought. I tried to improve on the tone. Mull it over when you're calm. I'd love to see you embrace any of the advice that was given to you this week.

+1 only to the weekly training report. Don't need an everyday report. It waters down the thread. I'm saying this is the nicest tone possible through text.

Fair enough, G. Mutai, and I will think about things, especially since I have a day off tomorrow. It would be interesting to see something from Stone Cutter, as per what I had outlined to him...even just a simple six lines of text, one for each of the six training days.

Got it...but I note in the nicest tone possible that I do not give daily reports. I also note that, for me, when others give multiple reports or comments in a week it actually makes the thread more interesting, lively, and informative. I never, ever, feel as if I am “sifting through” anything. Not in the least bit.

I'm sure you can understand that others might feel differently. Thank you for your consideration.

I'm not sure why anyone would comment on a person posting daily. This week has been person A posts his run. Person B instead of skipping over it, cries about a worthless post while creating a worthless post. F'ing interesting.

Jeremy R: Great job on the 5k. 17:05 WooHoo

Allen: Sorry for late response I missed it. Yeah, when I was a kid I ran a 29:30. Ran in the 29:30's multiple times but all road races. I never ran a marathon. I kind of regret it now. This fall I hope to crack 3 for a local marathon. It will be a challenge. My body surely does not respond like it use to.

Outsiderunner: I don't think Stone Cutter, or Canova could make a good 6 day cycle that would fall into Canova's system. I'm sure if a person read up on it they could come close to a Canova system with taking a set day off each week. His system kind of ebbs and flows with what the runner needs to hit goal over the extent of a cycle. His system is also in a constant state of progression so there are not any set workouts per week. a I think you should research it. If you plug your times into a calculator, I would guess you are better at the longer races. It is my belief that people are better at the longer races could almost always use more speed. A modified Canova system may be very enjoyable for you.

Pappy - Thanks very much. I truly value your contibutions here, may they be technical or otherwise. You inspire me.

Jeremy R - Sorry I did not mention this sooner, but congrats on the speedy race effort! As RRR has already suggested, sometimes switching things up, or “doing the opposite” (a la George Costanza) can be the spark that you need.

Pappy, I understand your point, but please understand that it's not a worthless post if it helps the thread long term in terms of keeping the focus of the thread on training. Maybe not for you, but for me and yes others, excessive posting of the same material is just unnecessary and dilutes the thread.

29:30 is very fast.

Canova actually created a program for Wilson Kipsang at one point based on training 6 days a week. The information is out there.

G. Mutai, I understand your point too. When there is one that posts something that another finds trivial and then posts about it there are now two posts to skip. Sometimes 3 or 4.

Thanks. 29:30 is ok. I was very fortunate to have a lot of very good runners to train with.

And thank you I will have to search for Wilson Kipsangs training. I find Canova interesting.

Pappy wrote:

I'm not sure why anyone would comment on a person posting daily. This week has been person A posts his run. Person B instead of skipping over it, cries about a worthless post while creating a worthless post. F'ing interesting.

+1

G Mutai - You're more than welcome to post your training. Best way to earn support around here is sharing your running ups and downs.

This maybe it. One week really does not show much.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6030845

Stone, how many people do you coach?

OR: Just my opinion but I would not overhaul your training at this point. Things are going well for you. Stuck with it until it does not yield the results you want. Your body will tell you when it is time for a change. Listen to it over anything else.

too hot wrote:

OR: Just my opinion but I would not overhaul your training at this point. Things are going well for you. Stuck with it until it does not yield the results you want. Your body will tell you when it is time for a change. Listen to it over anything else.

too hot - You must be a mind reader. This has been my exact plan for weeks now, and Allen seems to have at least some agreement with it, too...with perhaps the only exception for him being to run easier (the next day) after some of my more intense runs. Yes, things are going well, even very well, and so I cannot see altering things right now. I have been listening to my body all along, doing the harder or longer stuff when it tells me to. Indeed, nothing is “broken,” and so why try to fit it?

All the best to you, and it is nice to see you back here...