Men 400 M Olympic Dev. Top↑
PL NAME YEAR TEAM TIME SC
1. Brazier, Donavan Nike 46.91 -
2. landburg, Jordan Elite PerformanceTC 47.82 -
3. Hayes, Lacarl Elite PerformanceTC 48.15 -
4. Davis, Jackson Unattached 48.26 -
5. James, Jamil Elite PerformanceTC 49.01 -
6. Hill, Josh Elite PerformanceTC 49.03 -
Wow, excellent time. He should be good for a fast 6 or 8 soon. When's his next race?
It's a solid time but all caps for a 1:43 guy barely breaking 47? Murphy isn't a "speed" guy but split 45.4.
kartelite wrote:
It's a solid time but all caps for a 1:43 guy barely breaking 47? Murphy isn't a "speed" guy but split 45.4.
indoors vs outdoors is drastic in the 400. Maybe 1.5sec difference or so
kartelite wrote:
It's a solid time but all caps for a 1:43 guy barely breaking 47? Murphy isn't a "speed" guy but split 45.4.
A 4x4 split is going to be much faster and Brazier can run a similar 4x4 split. However, it's true that his mile endurance is much more impressive than his 400 speed at this point.
Moby wrote:
kartelite wrote:
It's a solid time but all caps for a 1:43 guy barely breaking 47? Murphy isn't a "speed" guy but split 45.4.
indoors vs outdoors is drastic in the 400. Maybe 1.5sec difference or so
Fred Kerley last year ran 44.85 indoors on that track in March and two months later ran 43.70 outdoors. So yes, it would seem at least a second if not more. Michael Johnson's best outdoors was 43.18, compared to his indoor best of 44.63.
A certain 15-year old would have won the women's 5000 by at least eight seconds.
hiho wrote:
A certain 15-year old would have won the women's 5000 by at least eight seconds.
Mega oof for the collegians and lower tier pros right now
Left Said Fred wrote:
Moby wrote:
indoors vs outdoors is drastic in the 400. Maybe 1.5sec difference or so
Fred Kerley last year ran 44.85 indoors on that track in March and two months later ran 43.70 outdoors. So yes, it would seem at least a second if not more. Michael Johnson's best outdoors was 43.18, compared to his indoor best of 44.63.
That's called peaking in June. More like his last indoor race was 44.85 and his first outdoor was 44.60
This speed in an open 400 and in (well-under) sub4 shape...name me who else in the world has that right now. A very short short list.
Most sprinters are attempting 2 peaks.
Kerley peaked for his indoor nationals race.
Nfjdndn wrote:
Most sprinters are attempting 2 peaks.
Kerley peaked for his indoor nationals race.
Proof of this can be found in his lackluster Olympics. Difficult to find a third peak after indoor, outdoor, summer.
Virtually simultaneous shape of 46.91i, which is worth quite a bit faster outdoors, and 3:59i, with a lot in the tank at the end.
How many have ever had both at the same time, if you factor in that in that mile he probably could have run mid to low 3:50s with competition? Just taking the times at face value, you might say that plenty of milers and 800m runners could do those things the same season. If you consider it likely that he is ready right now to run sub 46 FAT outdoors and maybe low 45 or high 44 in May-June outdoors, since indoor turns slow down the 400m quite a bit and no one is in his best shape in January, and then consider that he closed very easy in the mile, we have a talent here who rates with Jim Ryun, Sebastian Coe, and only a few other milers in terms of simultaneous 400/mile shape. Clayton Murphy might well slot in there as well with his 45.4 4x400 split and 3:36 1500m.
zvxcvxczvcx wrote:
Virtually simultaneous shape of 46.91i, which is worth quite a bit faster outdoors, and 3:59i, with a lot in the tank at the end.
How many have ever had both at the same time, if you factor in that in that mile he probably could have run mid to low 3:50s with competition? Just taking the times at face value, you might say that plenty of milers and 800m runners could do those things the same season. If you consider it likely that he is ready right now to run sub 46 FAT outdoors and maybe low 45 or high 44 in May-June outdoors, since indoor turns slow down the 400m quite a bit and no one is in his best shape in January, and then consider that he closed very easy in the mile, we have a talent here who rates with Jim Ryun, Sebastian Coe, and only a few other milers in terms of simultaneous 400/mile shape. Clayton Murphy might well slot in there as well with his 45.4 4x400 split and 3:36 1500m.
I agree the overall prospects given his impressive range are quite promising. I think the mile is more of a nice surprise than the 400m, which I think should be expected given that he hadn't shown quite the distance range of Murphy. But both of them have the potential to be all-time greats in the 800m, as young as Murphy is Brazier is younger still. And the fact that they have each other to compete domestically (seems like they have a lot of mutual respect) could make for an exciting time in the US men's 800m.
Moby wrote:
kartelite wrote:
It's a solid time but all caps for a 1:43 guy barely breaking 47? Murphy isn't a "speed" guy but split 45.4.
indoors vs outdoors is drastic in the 400. Maybe 1.5sec difference or so
Please don't use logic here. Don't you know that despite all signs pointing otherwise, most here are experts?
Hardloper wrote:
Left Said Fred wrote:
Fred Kerley last year ran 44.85 indoors on that track in March and two months later ran 43.70 outdoors. So yes, it would seem at least a second if not more. Michael Johnson's best outdoors was 43.18, compared to his indoor best of 44.63.
That's called peaking in June. More like his last indoor race was 44.85 and his first outdoor was 44.60
Agreed that LSF's comparison wasn't great, but to be fair yours isn't all that accurate either; Kerley was peaking (if only a 'soft' peak) for his last indoor race at NCs while his first outdoor race was a low-key rust buster.
I'd put the difference at somewhere in between -- maybe a little less than a second even.
For comparison, Berian's 400 PRs are 48.95i and 46.93, from the 2011/2012 season. Rudisha's PR (outdoor only) is 45.50 from 2010. Korir's 2017 PR is 44.97.
Nfjdndn wrote:
Most sprinters are attempting 2 peaks.
Kerley peaked for his indoor nationals race.
Not to mention some of it is competition, weather and track quality that comes with June championship races. Sprinting in the summer compared to March/April is a big difference for most. He ran that 44.60 winning by more than a second.
Comparitive wrote:
For comparison, Berian's 400 PRs are 48.95i and 46.93, from the 2011/2012 season. Rudisha's PR (outdoor only) is 45.50 from 2010. Korir's 2017 PR is 44.97.
Korir ran 44.53
kartelite wrote:
It's a solid time but all caps for a 1:43 guy barely breaking 47? Murphy isn't a "speed" guy but split 45.4.
What has Murphy run indoors?