What would El G have run the mile in if he kept running after his 3:26.00?

I'd say he would have broken 3:42.

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bumper car wrote:

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Or Rudisha smashing the 1000m. If at the end of the London Olympics, he'd just said 'sod it, I feel so great I'm breaking the 1000m WR while I'm at it and ran another 200m. He ran under 1:41 so to break 2:12 he only needed to run another 200m in 31 seconds. Cmon, that's High School standard. Are you saying Rudisha in literally 800m sub 1:41 form couldn't have ran another 200 in under 31 seconds??? He was averaging about 12.5 seconds per 100m for 800m and yet he'd suddenly run over 15 seconds per 100 if deciding to run another 200??? I'm not buying it. I'd say he would have ran under 2:07 that day. Don't know why he stopped, it's not as if the officals would have intervened. Then can you imagine after decimating the 1000m WR by 5 seconds at least in 2:07 he decided 'well, sod this, I only need to run another 500m in 79 seconds to break El G's EPO WR. I mean cmon? Are you saying Rudisha couldnt force himself on for another 500m at 15.8 seconds per 100m???? So let's say he slows down a bit and runs the last 500m in 65 seconds. That would mean he smashed El Gs EPO record by 14 seconds and ran 3:12. Now cmon, don't give me any bull about him not being able to run another 109 meters in 35 seconds. Even if he was starting to feel it in his legs, there's no way in that kind of shape with that running form he couldn't ran the final 109 meters in around 15 seconds, thereby setting a new Mile WR of 3:27. The first man under both 3:40 and 3:30 for the Mile (and in what was intended as the Olympic 800m final).

Now let's compare Michael Johnson when he ran his 43.18 WR. Now let's suppose he ran on for another 200m...

Or you could look at it another way. If he had that much to spare and could have ran on for another 109 meters in 17 seconds , he probably could have ran faster in the actual 1500m, thereby running 3:25 or even 3:24. The fact that he never did run under 3:26 despite hundreds of attempts to run his very fastest 1500m time, does suggest you're talking out of your behinds. Unless he did indeed have EPO coming out of his ears, in which case it's possible he could have ran on and run 5000m under 12 minutes.

I had a good laugh with that post, the first paragraphs actually made me believe you really meant it.

On a side note, Rudisha was closer to 13 seconds during the second lap and probably close to 13.5 (100m)in the last 60m. His legs would turn into cement as soon as he began the curb to the 1000m mark and probably run 34 for a 2:15 while on a death march.

Coleman can probably challenge Kipchoge in the marathon if he improves his endurance ;)

El G was notorious like all the other great EPO runners for running ridiculously fast times and looking like they weren't even out of breath at the end.

But if you actually rewatch his 3:26.00 you can see that he likely couldn't run for another 50 meters let alone 109 meters in 17 seconds. You can see the lactic acid stores in his legs reach their very limt about 10 meters before the finshing line. Judged perfectly of course, if he'd been running a Mile that night he wouldn't have ran the first 1500m quite so fast. Does that make any kind of sense to you guys?

https://youtu.be/6fFAU3B31cc?t=55s

BTW, is that Steve Ovett commentating with a thick Australian accent? How surreal is that? Steve Ovett, maybe the most naturally gifted Miler of all time and commentating in an Ozzie accent in a race in which a doped up Moroccan runs nearly 5 seconds faster than him (and not much more than a decade after him).

El Epo wrote:

it's not like he crosses the line and falls over completely gassed. He runs over and grabs the bouquet of flowers and gets congratulatory hugs, is smiling, seems quite in control.

Watch the video the guy above posted. He does "fall over completely gassed" for a couple seconds before standing up and celebrating.

r u dumb wrote:

El Epo wrote:

it's not like he crosses the line and falls over completely gassed. He runs over and grabs the bouquet of flowers and gets congratulatory hugs, is smiling, seems quite in control.

Watch the video the guy above posted. He does "fall over completely gassed" for a couple seconds before standing up and celebrating.

ummmm, re-read the person you're quoting. I bolded the part you missed, to give you a little help.

it's you that is dumb wrote:

r u dumb wrote:

Watch the video the guy above posted. He does "fall over completely gassed" for a couple seconds before standing up and celebrating.

ummmm, re-read the person you're quoting. I bolded the part you missed, to give you a little help.

You need to re-read the post of the guy you're trying to attack lol. You are a dolt - and you do it without help.

Notice the traditional kisses for Adil Kaouch after the race? Adil was dirty. Adil was slow in those days then he got on epo and was suddenly very good. Adil when dirty was still way, way slower than El Guerrouj.

El G was clean.

Deal with it.

GOAT.

The mile record is actually pretty good.

He couldn't keep running another 110m after passing 1500m in 3:26, he'd be struggling to keep any pace at all really.

I'd say he could break 3:43 comfortably but not 3:42. So maybe ~3:42.5? Pass 1500 in 3:27.

I think given the decline in popularity of the mile that record might end up never being broken, or at least not in this century.

Coevett wrote:

You can see the lactic acid stores in his legs reach their very limt about 10 meters before the finshing line. ).

We have stores of the stuff? I thought it didn't even exist in that form.

Mac's Lactic Store wrote:

Coevett wrote:

You can see the lactic acid stores in his legs reach their very limt about 10 meters before the finshing line. ).

We have stores of the stuff? I thought it didn't even exist in that form.

His overall average for 1500m in 3:26 was 3:41.0/mile. If the official had done a windmill with his arms just before the finish to keep on going around the turn, he'd have broken 3:42 possibly but almost certainly broken 3:43. He was still moving fast enough to get right out of the picture after the finish, another 10m or so.

xczvxcxc wrote:

His overall average for 1500m in 3:26 was 3:41.0/mile. If the official had done a windmill with his arms just before the finish to keep on going around the turn, he'd have broken 3:42 possibly but almost certainly broken 3:43. He was still moving fast enough to get right out of the picture after the finish, another 10m or so.

That's more or less my thinking.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Mac's Lactic Store wrote:

We have stores of the stuff? I thought it didn't even exist in that form.

https://www.google.com/search?q=lactic+acid&rlz=1C1VFKB_enUS739US739&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiIytbDsOrYAhWEk-AKHUwVCksQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=949#spd=2950953482599214746

Well o.k., not very scientifically well put on my part, but the point is it did look like his legs were about to 'run out of fuel' before his lungs, which itself is probably indicative of an artificial EPO produced performance. You see it a lot in 400m races when guys have gone out too fast and their legs start to buckle in the home straight, it's not so common in middle-distance races.

El Epo wrote:

xczvxcxc wrote:

His overall average for 1500m in 3:26 was 3:41.0/mile. If the official had done a windmill with his arms just before the finish to keep on going around the turn, he'd have broken 3:42 possibly but almost certainly broken 3:43. He was still moving fast enough to get right out of the picture after the finish, another 10m or so.

That's more or less my thinking.

109 meters is different to another 10 meters carried along mostly by momentum. You can see his legs starting to tie up rapidly in the last meters. Despite Ovett screaming 'he's getting faster and faster' he was clearly slowing down with about 50 meters to go. Maybe he could have smashed the 1550m WR but he would have been walking bandy legged before the Mile finish line.

I was showing my kids some world records the other day and it is amazing how many were set within a relatively short time span about 20 years or so ago and then not so much until now. There had to be so much junk being used. It's too bad that gifted people like El G left a taint when a 3:29 or 3:30 would've been great to begin with.