I was curious about this. Our marathon world rankings are out and we couldn't give Kipchoge credit for his marvelous Breaking2 performance but it was an exhibition. We made the analogy to a golfer skipping a major to go shoot a 55 on a course where they blocked the wind.
But a better analogy might be a field eventer exceeding the world record in a practice. It wouldn't factor into world records. Has that ever been done before? Or do they tend to throw/jump much farther in competition.
Well these guys hit a golf ball through the Stargate:
I have no proof but I really doubt it. In the same way a 100m sprinter could never break the world record in practice, because they lack the adrenaline of performing in-competition, I find it hard to believe that the formula is any different for field event athletes. That being said, happy to be proven wrong!
Probably true, but I feel like it could happen in the horizontal jumps. I just think those events are little different because you clear a set bar.
Some shotputters often hit monster throws in warmup, but they can't be considered records since they also usually foul on those attempts. (it isn't a record unless scrutinized by judges etc)
I'd bet on Bubka, if anyone.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if that has happened. When you run a running event, you get one shot at it and one of the major limiting factors is the energy in your body. It isn't that technique doesn't matter, but if a runner ran a subpar race and was then offered another opportunity to try again a few minutes later, that runner probably isn't going to be faster.
On the other hand, field eventers are accustomed to having multiple attempts and their first attempt is not always their best. Mechanics play such a huge role that the athlete sometimes needs to find his or her groove. In field events, the number of attempts is a limiting factor. In practice, there is no such limit. A shot putter probably won't throw that well if he or she is taking 50 attempts in practice, but if he or she gets to take 10 warm-up tosses and then throw for real 10 times (not what would happen every single day), I could see that happening.
I am a high school coach so I'm not overseeing world record quality performances, but the amount of times I've had to explain to field event athletes that I can't count their practice marks on different lists absolutely numbers in the hundreds by now. Some of those marks that I am talking about are coming from some very good athletes, not just beginners who PR every time they step in the ring/on the runway.
I jumped 2.46 in the high jump in October 2017.
No one was there to see it though. I claim I have the world record, much like UCF claims they are the national champions in college football this year.
Don’t know about field events, but I once paced Regina Jacobs to a world record in the 2 mile at a small all-comers meet in Los Gatos California in 2001 a few weeks before the world championships. She wanted to do a ‘tune up’ time trial.
She didn’t just break it, she destroyed it. The world record at the time was around 9:20, and we ran a 9:11. Didn’t know it at the time but she was on PEDs (Balco).
Obviously because I paced her it wasn’t official, and it’s not on the books even.
wejo wrote:
I was curious about this. Our marathon world rankings are out and we couldn't give Kipchoge credit for his marvelous Breaking2 performance but it was an exhibition. We made the analogy to a golfer skipping a major to go shoot a 55 on a course where they blocked the wind.
But a better analogy might be a field eventer exceeding the world record in a practice. It wouldn't factor into world records. Has that ever been done before? Or do they tend to throw/jump much farther in competition.
Wejo, I present a bullet proof argument that every field world record was set in practice at least once.
Assumption 1: the first ever attempt at field event F was done in practice
By definition, being the first ever attempt, this would have been a new WR for event F
The only condition in which the WR for event F was not at some point broken in practice is if the first ever attempt at event F occurred in a competition. But, how can an event be staged in competition if it had never been attempted in practice? How would they know how to set it up and score it?
QED gentlemen
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This guy makes a pretty good case that it could have happened but doesn't give any actual examples.
https://www.quora.com/How-often-do-athletes-break-world-records-in-training
wejo wrote:
We made the analogy to a golfer skipping a major to go shoot a 55 on a course where they blocked the wind.
There are dozens of PGA rounds played every year on days with absolutely zero wind. Often it is the softness of the course (after a night of rain) that makes for the potential for a very low round than lack of wind.
WRs in the throws have been exceeded many, many times in practice.
Kenny Harrison multiple times over 60 feet before Jonathon Edwards did it officially in competition. So yes!
Maybe this is what you're looking for:
That time when Justin Gatlin ran 9.45 with massive fans pushing him...
Lawrence Johnson broke the American indoor pole vault record in practice one day in either the fall of 2000 or early 2001.
It was recorded by one of the team student managers. Most of the field event and multi-event guys were there. I was working as a student manager for the women's team. I had just gotten into the building after practice and saw Lawrence Johnson clear it and everyone went nuts.
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I'd bet on Bubka, if anyone.
Bubka along with many other acquaintances has said that he jumped higher than 6.16 many times in practice and even cleared 6.20.
I think he meant "vertical" jumps with the bar (often) placed in practice for the HJ and PV. For the horizontal jumps and throws, measurements are seldom taken in practice, so it seems unlikely.
As many competition winning throws or jumps that have been called foul, it would be almost a certainty that a record has been beaten a dozen of times in competition that didn’t count. I’ve seen many school/ state records stay intact due to a flag going up due to a stumble in the throwing circle or landing a few inches over the white line. So if it could happen on the HS level, I’m sure it has happened on the the elite level. Throwing and jumping are all about getting the right angle with delivery which is bound to happen (and more likely than a running event) in a no pressure practice situation once in a while.
This doesn’t answer the question.
But basically it is question that really can’t be answered unless someone has video footage.
If you are a big track fan like I am (30+ years of competing and coaching) you’ve all seen the big vault that bar got knocked off by a shoelace.
Carl Lewis is supposed to have jumped over 30' in practice several times. Probably NWI. I would guess the disc record has been broken several times in practice, just because it is so heavily benefited by headwinds. Similar but opposite idea in the jav - Zelezny or Uwe Hohn probably got a great wind one day when they were in fine form and broke the record.