Insecurity?
Insecurity?
Intelligence.
You try to get in my way on the 24th mile of a marathon and test that hypothesis...
cmpt wrote:
Insecurity?
Tell that to the (live) rat our cat brought in yesterday. My gf had to clean the brains off the wall.
Most runners are:
1. Cheap
2. Poor
3. Young
4. Tree-hugging nature freaks
5. Brainwashed by their overtly-liberal college profs.
I'm glad I'm merely numbers 2 and 3 on this list and happily conservative.
I'll second the trait of being cheap. You come on here and talk about wanting to make a lot money as one of your goals in life, and people here think you've got problems.
Seriously, this is a great discussion guys. This is NOT to say that other people (non-runners) could not have these same problems.
I will speak for myself here:
Yes, at times I am lonley due to training obligations. I will forego nights out with my friends because I don't want to drink, stand up all night, or be up late. Eventually, you will experience a "drift" away from your friends. They recognize, after a few times you do not go with them, that you are no longer a primary person to call on a Friday or Saturday night.
Then when we are ready to go hang out, ie after Nationals, or after a pre-planned season ending race, there are often times no one. This leads to loneliness and social deficiency. Of course you can see, this leads to insecurity and unhappiness.
I have experienced these in the past and it is horrible. But it goes in cycles and you quickly forget once in a tough training regimen again. Winters in Ohio are pretty bad too, training primarily in partial darkness and not going out with friends much, can be pretty depressive.
I believe also, some runners don't fit the typical huge ripped muscular type and nor do I. These may lead to lack of confidence and even lack of success in dating. Believe me, I suffer these same problems.
Yet we continue to train on. Perhaps it's because if we didn't, we truly wouldn't have much. This is what makes us who we are. So I advise, despite these problems, keep training hard. When you find someone genuine, they will like you for who you are anyway.
Brett Dunbar
Most like to think they are an oppressed minority. No big money sponsor deals, no TV love, no front page headlines in the local paper, girls like drunk frat boys and fat football players better, picked on by jocks in high school, parents pressure them to give up the jogging nonsense and get a job, etc. Hence, it is easy to take up underdog causes and rail against "The Man" in kneejerk style.
brettman10k wrote:
Seriously, this is a great discussion guys. This is NOT to say that other people (non-runners) could not have these same problems.
I will speak for myself here:
Yes, at times I am lonley due to training obligations. I will forego nights out with my friends because I don't want to drink, stand up all night, or be up late. Eventually, you will experience a "drift" away from your friends. They recognize, after a few times you do not go with them, that you are no longer a primary person to call on a Friday or Saturday night.
Then when we are ready to go hang out, ie after Nationals, or after a pre-planned season ending race, there are often times no one. This leads to loneliness and social deficiency. Of course you can see, this leads to insecurity and unhappiness.
I have experienced these in the past and it is horrible. But it goes in cycles and you quickly forget once in a tough training regimen again. Winters in Ohio are pretty bad too, training primarily in partial darkness and not going out with friends much, can be pretty depressive.
I believe also, some runners don't fit the typical huge ripped muscular type and nor do I. These may lead to lack of confidence and even lack of success in dating. Believe me, I suffer these same problems.
Yet we continue to train on. Perhaps it's because if we didn't, we truly wouldn't have much. This is what makes us who we are. So I advise, despite these problems, keep training hard. When you find someone genuine, they will like you for who you are anyway.
Brett Dunbar
What does any of this have to do with being a "bleeding heart?"
Californian wrote:
I'll second the trait of being cheap. You come on here and talk about wanting to make a lot money as one of your goals in life, and people here think you've got problems.
Yep, and when you do succeed at making money, they want you to pay it all back to them in the form of government sponsored entitlement programs. Nothing pisses me off more than the lazy getting a free ride off the hard working.
N/A:
Due to the original question being so utterly stupid and ignorant, I metamorphisized the thread to hopefully become a discussion on what I wrote, or at least go in that general direction. Hope that clears things up.
And nothing pisses me off more than people thinking that a significant portion of their taxes are tabbed for 'the lazy.' And while there are certainly exceptions, many people in need are resigned to their situation. Not lazy, they're hardworking, but 'understand' their situation that they'll likely never get out of their current financial state. So maybe you should complain about government's inefficiency at dealing with these issues, rather than the need to help these people.
And nothing pisses me off more than the fat cats getting fatter off the backs of hard-working people. Or people that are ignorant about the federal budgeting process (welfare and the like gets about 0.5% of the budget, compared to the Pentagon's 16%).
I'm not bleeding-heart. I'm cynical and angry.
"Yep, and when you do succeed at making money, they want you to pay it all back to them in the form of government sponsored entitlement programs. Nothing pisses me off more than the lazy getting a free ride off the hard working."
No one will touch a cent of money until after I have bought Josie a 1,000 square foot dog mansion (bi-level) in the back yard of my house, as well as a collar with diamonds, and a wardrobe consisting of 20-30 Vercase-quality shirts and dresses. She will also need a personal trainer and someone to clean the folds in her wrinkles on a daily basis. After I have paid for these important expenses, I might have a little left for the government.
Good points jsquire and bathing suit. How long do you think it'll take before those types of posts are deleted?
If you notice, most wealthy people (at least newly created wealth) are very benevloent and generous with their money. Wealthy people give billions of dollars away in charity each year. There's a difference between giving and having the government take your money and then using it for their "inefficent programs" as you called them.
That's also a cop out. It works both ways: government should do things to help people rise above bad circumstances but those individuals need to work / act / think differently and use that helping hand to get ahead.
Accepting a bad plight = giving up. Working to improve your chances = hope.
Ultimately, you create your own "luck". If immigrants came to America with $5 and a dream and then built a good life, there is no reason why the native born cannot also. It is just like running. If a talented kid accepts the "genetically superior Africans" argument and just sits around playing Xbox, he'll go nowhere. If a regular kid dedicates himself to hard work, discipline, and smart training, then he has the chance to achieve some measure of success.
Doing nothing because of anger and hopelessness is the ultimate cynicism and a sad waste of potential.
Fair enough. But why not just ignore such a stupid thread? Oh, wait... well, too late.
Here's the basic problem that no one recognizes:
In a competitive economic system, there are winners and losers. Always. That's the nature of competition -- for example, no matter how hard teams work, there will be 256 losses in the NFL next year (barring ties).
If you've never spent any time around the economic losers in America, you have no idea what their lives are like. The vast majority of them are extremely hard-working people, and to paint them all as lazy or free-loaders is just plain ignorant.
Hey thought police, if runners are so friggin' liberal, why is it that on this site there is almost always nearly as many conservatives (sometimes it seems more) posting on the political threads as there are liberals? Either you don't pay attention, or all the right-wing nut jobs posting here are just you and wejo posting under 150 different names.
In ways I WOULD expect more runners to be democrats, because on the average I had always found that runners were pretty smart, open-minded, not racist and not overly greedy with their $. But I guess I was wrong, because this site is FILLED racist, brain-washed religious right extremists who think that we should bomb every country that looks at us funny, and put all the poor in prisions so we don't have to look at them any longer.
I mean, even the friggin' Iraq war, which currently has been exposed as a complete fraud (no WMD's found PERIOD, and recent leaked documents to the British press that showed Bush/Blair planning on selling the war to the world on what they KNEW were shaky "facts") and has a 41% "was it worth it?" rating with the American public, even THAT f'd-up-endeavor has lots of support from LetsRunners. Wow....
Maybe LetsRun is not reflective of the bigger picture of runners worldwide, but it sure seems like a realistic reflection of USA runners, and there are PLENTY of right-wing nut-jobs on this site.
So maybe the question really should be: when did runners start becoming so stupid that they would even support Bush?