I was wondering if anyone has taken Steve's course that is available on his website- Mastering the Art of Coaching. I am a big fan of Steve and I believe he has made me a more well-rounded coach.
I have thought about purchasing his course it's $99. I was hoping to get some insight on the course from the audience here before I make the purchase.
Thanks for reading.
The audacity of it all!
What exactly has Steve done in coaching that qualifies him to charge for a course on Mastering The Art of Coaching.
He was fired from NOP, he had athletes their the requested not to work with him. His former boss (top coach in the sport today) said he wasn’t a very effective coach. His college athletes at Houston have not performed very well and the few elites he works with are injury prone.
The only thing more ludicrous then him advertising such a course is those who would pay for it.
Let me tell you who needs to master the art of coaching...
You asked for our opinion wrote:
What exactly has Steve done in coaching that qualifies him to charge for a course on Mastering The Art of Coaching.
He was fired from NOP, he had athletes their the requested not to work with him. His former boss (top coach in the sport today) said he wasn’t a very effective coach. His college athletes at Houston have not performed very well and the few elites he works with are injury prone.
The only thing more ludicrous then him advertising such a course is those who would pay for it.
Thank you for your input. I appreciate your time
You really are a dick ! He left the NOP because of what was going on. He did not like the way he had to test an infusion of L -carnitine together with all the other TUE’s that were rife. Read the Fancy Bears full detail ! These were obviously correct because names, dates , amounts and signatures were shown and they weren’t challenged . Magness actually showed integrity. As to his coaching. Read his book ! He has shown a deep understanding of the processes required and I for one think it is a great reference . And I’m damned sure I know more about coaching than you do
Will he bandit the Turkey Trot to pace some loser again on Thursday?
You asked for our opinion wrote:
What exactly has Steve done in coaching that qualifies him to charge for a course on Mastering The Art of Coaching.
He was fired from NOP, he had athletes their the requested not to work with him. His former boss (top coach in the sport today) said he wasn’t a very effective coach. His college athletes at Houston have not performed very well and the few elites he works with are injury prone.
The only thing more ludicrous then him advertising such a course is those who would pay for it.
People like you are good reminders to me of why I will never buy another Nike product. So thanks.
Really ! wrote:
You really are a dick ! He left the NOP because of what was going on. He did not like the way he had to test an infusion of L -carnitine together with all the other TUE’s that were rife. Read the Fancy Bears full detail ! These were obviously correct because names, dates , amounts and signatures were shown and they weren’t challenged . Magness actually showed integrity. As to his coaching. Read his book ! He has shown a deep understanding of the processes required and I for one think it is a great reference . And I’m damned sure I know more about coaching than you do
How's that problem with your OC hubby coming along?
Really ! wrote:
You really are a dick ! He left the NOP because of what was going on. He did not like the way he had to test an infusion of L -carnitine together with all the other TUE’s that were rife. Read the Fancy Bears full detail ! These were obviously correct because names, dates , amounts and signatures were shown and they weren’t challenged . Magness actually showed integrity. As to his coaching. Read his book ! He has shown a deep understanding of the processes required and I for one think it is a great reference . And I’m damned sure I know more about coaching than you do
Thank you for your post. I was unaware of any of this about Steve, I am a relatively new to coaching XC
Guy puts me to sleep.I’d pay $99 to listen to him as a sleeping aid. And more sleep improves running. Take my money.
Really ! wrote:
As to his coaching. Read his book !
I LOL'ed
His book is basically taking Duckworth and Dweck to the masses. It is a good primer for those too lazy to read and research themselves or to new coaches who are still think they're all that because they understand basic physiology.
Magness gained a lot by adding Stulworth. He is more of a writer and it helped with the flow of the book.
Magness does know a lot about physiology and has an inquisitive mind. He is obviously intelligent.
That being said, he knows he is intelligent yet doesn't understand that he isn't in a stratosphere where common coaches don't get him. He can come across as condescending on twitter.
He also is a bit hypocritical doing the l carnitine test and then trying to become the face of integrity. I am 100% certain he is intelligent enough to have known that was wrong and questionable beforehand.
Finally, he badmouths certain coaches - particularly HS coaches in Texas - and it affects his ability to recruit.
I think he probably means well and desperately wants to be viewed as helpful and knowledgeable. He has some things to work on (don't we all?) - his public persona being one of them.
You asked for our opinion wrote:
What exactly has Steve done in coaching that qualifies him to charge for a course on Mastering The Art of Coaching.
He was fired from NOP, he had athletes their the requested not to work with him. His former boss (top coach in the sport today) said he wasn’t a very effective coach. His college athletes at Houston have not performed very well and the few elites he works with are injury prone.
The only thing more ludicrous then him advertising such a course is those who would pay for it.
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I will chime in. wrote:
His book is basically taking Duckworth and Dweck to the masses. It is a good primer for those too lazy to read and research themselves or to new coaches who are still think they're all that because they understand basic physiology.
Magness gained a lot by adding Stulworth. He is more of a writer and it helped with the flow of the book.
Magness does know a lot about physiology and has an inquisitive mind. He is obviously intelligent.
That being said, he knows he is intelligent yet doesn't understand that he isn't in a stratosphere where common coaches don't get him. He can come across as condescending on twitter.
He also is a bit hypocritical doing the l carnitine test and then trying to become the face of integrity. I am 100% certain he is intelligent enough to have known that was wrong and questionable beforehand.
Finally, he badmouths certain coaches - particularly HS coaches in Texas - and it affects his ability to recruit.
I think he probably means well and desperately wants to be viewed as helpful and knowledgeable. He has some things to work on (don't we all?) - his public persona being one of them.
Thank you for your input
Since it doesn't look like you're a troll, I'll add some serious input here.
I wish Steve would just stop talking about coaching and start actually coaching. If I was a college coach and my best athlete was sixty-f*ck at Nationals, I'd stop tweeting or writing blogs for a year. Until Nationals next year.
I think he's knowledgeable and means well, but dude, just STFU and coach. His teachings mean nothing without credibility of actually having results. Anything else is just armchair QB'ing. Hearing about one workout that Jerry Schumacher does is more valuable than a whole Steve Magness book.
You asked for our opinion wrote:
What exactly has Steve done in coaching that qualifies him to charge for a course on Mastering The Art of Coaching.
He was fired from NOP, he had athletes their the requested not to work with him. His former boss (top coach in the sport today) said he wasn’t a very effective coach. His college athletes at Houston have not performed very well and the few elites he works with are injury prone.
The only thing more ludicrous then him advertising such a course is those who would pay for it.
Very true. His men were 6th out of 10 and his women were 10th out of 12 in an extremely weak conference
https://www.tfrrs.org/results/xc/13348.html#94710Also, his book is 100% unoriginal. He just copies and borrows from other people. He doesn't contribute anything new.
His course is likely the Trump University of coaching education.
I don’t get all of the hate about Magness... he puts a lot of useful and free info out there. Its more comprehensive than what a high schooler would get from all but a handful of programs in any given state.
As far as his achievements as a coach, I think in general coaches are given too much credit for being ‘masterminds’ . There biggest contribution is being an objective pair of eyes that can adapt the training as needed and provide emotional/psychological support. They’re managers not magicians. Salazar largely failed to develop anyone until he got Rupp/farah/centro... Renato tried to transform national class Americans into elites but nothing really came of it.
Anyways, Re: buying his course, I’d say listen to his podcast first. I find it unlistenable. I appreciate his blog/website though.
Bubbadeeboos wrote:
I don’t get all of the hate about Magness... he puts a lot of useful and free info out there. Its more comprehensive than what a high schooler would get from all but a handful of programs in any given state.
As far as his achievements as a coach, I think in general coaches are given too much credit for being ‘masterminds’ . There biggest contribution is being an objective pair of eyes that can adapt the training as needed and provide emotional/psychological support. They’re managers not magicians. Salazar largely failed to develop anyone until he got Rupp/farah/centro... Renato tried to transform national class Americans into elites but nothing really came of it.
Anyways, Re: buying his course, I’d say listen to his podcast first. I find it unlistenable. I appreciate his blog/website though.
i don't think many people hate him (although some do). I just think a lot of people call BS on his antics. Have you ever met someone who acts like they are better than you? That's the way Magness comes off to a lot of people.
I think his book and his blog and this training class are just money making schemes. I don't think he really cares that much about educating people. He's just hyping himself up and trying to sell stuff.
Someone else in this topic said he needs to be quiet and focus on his coaching and I think that is a fair criticism. I think he's annoying but I don't hate him - and I would never suggest buying his book or his class.
Bubbadeeboos wrote:
I don’t get all of the hate about Magness... he puts a lot of useful and free info out there. Its more comprehensive than what a high schooler would get from all but a handful of programs in any given state.
As far as his achievements as a coach, I think in general coaches are given too much credit for being ‘masterminds’ . There biggest contribution is being an objective pair of eyes that can adapt the training as needed and provide emotional/psychological support. They’re managers not magicians. Salazar largely failed to develop anyone until he got Rupp/farah/centro... Renato tried to transform national class Americans into elites but nothing really came of it.
Anyways, Re: buying his course, I’d say listen to his podcast first. I find it unlistenable. I appreciate his blog/website though.
Anyone who has ever said an ill word about NOP gets more than their fair share of hate here. NOP defends by anonymously attacking.