USA Navy: females need 18:07 for 1.5 miles, males need 16:10

That's fine, considering that the Navy, aside from corpsman and maybe Seabees, don't really do a lot of work that would require great cardio...

Are you kidding with these times??? I had to read this twice to make sure these old eyes weren't deceiving me. I'm 57, been running for 30+ yrs and have a plethora of chronic injuries (ruptured PTT, ankle OA, Achilles tendonosis, patellar tendonitis, chronic back pain). Plus I'm not exactly built for distance running (5-7, 165). Despite these injuries and with limited mileage (20 mpw), I can currently run a 1.5 mile in 10:30, and a 3 miler in around 22:30.

So, and old fart like me with a "rupture PTT, ankle OA & chronic back pain" can blow away these minimum qualifying times for the run distances? Too funny! ?

Billions of dollars are spent on high tech gear and support for each Navy Sailor, Army Soldier, Coast Guard Guardsman, Air Force Airman, and Officers. Why should they have to run and do pullups?

Gotta be able to outrun a bullet.

I don't care if they are male or female, but at least give them the same soft time to hit.

"Why wasn't the alarm sounded?"

"Well, a woman was on lookout, and they don't have to be as fast as men."

"Oh sh!t, my bad. How insensitive of me."

"It's ok. You didn't know. Sorry about your ship."

That's ridiculous to make the very smart and intelligent people we want for the US Navy do stupid training that has nothing to do with sailing on a boat.

Terrible. I had a friend who went to Air Force. She ran 19 flat for the 5K when she started, and was running in the low 18s by graduation. Navy's standards are pretty lame by comparison.

Reason for different standards by gender: Women elite athletes have roughly twice the body fat percentage of male elite athletes. The average young female has roughly twice the body fat percentage as the average young male. Uncle Sam has their standards for sanity, IQ and clean criminal regard. You have to give the females a bit of a break regarding the athletic standards. The military does not want to exclude too many women based on athletic standards. Tougher standards means a smaller pool of possible military personnel. We can have a smaller US military discussion. That's another thread.

what are the comparable requirements for those under marshal kim jong-un ?

former USMC rifleman wrote:

Reason for different standards by gender: Women elite athletes have roughly twice the body fat percentage of male elite athletes. The average young female has roughly twice the body fat percentage as the average young male. Uncle Sam has their standards for sanity, IQ and clean criminal record. You have to give the females a bit of a break regarding the athletic standards. The military does not want to exclude too many women based on athletic standards. Tougher standards means a smaller pool of possible military personnel. We can have a smaller US military discussion. That's another thread.

former USMC rifleman wrote:

former USMC rifleman wrote:

Reason for different standards by gender: Women elite athletes have roughly twice the body fat percentage of male elite athletes. The average young female has roughly twice the body fat percentage as the average young male. Uncle Sam has their standards for sanity, IQ and clean criminal record. You have to give the females a bit of a break regarding the athletic standards. The military does not want to exclude too many women based on athletic standards. Tougher standards means a smaller pool of possible military personnel. We can have a smaller US military discussion. That's another thread.

How's the war in Afghanistan? Hope Army life is good. Thank your for your service.

its the Navy......shouldnt this be a swimming test?

As a current member of the Navy, this really isn't that shocking to me. I am designated as the "Command Fitness Leader" for my squadron, which basically means I am in charge of ensuring all the fat kids don't fail their PT Test. It's pretty disheartening to maintain a good level of fitness as an individual, and make yourself available for running/workout regimens, but to still be asked prior to every PRT, "What's the minimum for me to pass?" In those Sailors' defense, there are no measurable benefits to doing well on the PRT, as a Satisfactory Score and a Max are all put into your FITREP (Evaluation that basically measures how good or terrible of a military member you are) as a "P." However, just to illustrate that a 16:10 is not a passing score, here are the score charts for males and females age 17-19 (General age of bootcampers). Most score in the good to excellent range out of bootcamp and decline from there.

Navy Male & Female Physical Readiness Test (PRT) Charts

Physical Readiness Test (PRT) Chart for Males: 17-19 Years of Age.

Performance Level: Curl-ups/Push-ups/1.5-mile run

-Maximum: 109/ 92/ 8:15

-Outstanding 102/ 86/ 9:00

-Excellent 90/76/9:45

-Good 62/51/11:00

-Satisfactory 50/42/12:30

Physical Readiness Test (PRT) Chart for Females: 17-19 Years of Age.

Performance Level: Curl-ups/Push-ups/1.5-mile run

-Maximum: 109/ 51/ 9:29

-Outstanding: 102/ 47/ 11:30

-Excellent: 90/ 42/ 12:30

-Good: 62/ 24/ 13:30

-Satisfactory: 50/ 19/ 15:00

Support is the Key wrote:

Billions of dollars are spent on high tech gear and support for each Navy Sailor, Army Soldier, Coast Guard Guardsman, Air Force Airman, and Officers. Why should they have to run and do pullups?

Yeah, we could wheel in a bunch of Steven Hawkins to do the fighting

Navy recruits are usually older in their mid-20s. They should allow thicks, and fatties, but not obese, whales.

soft, no doubt, for the run, but this is before training, so you don't want to exclude people that could be terrific soldiers or tech personnel just because they're totally out of shape prior to the training. You have total control of them from that point on and can get them in shape.

d.p.r.k poster wrote:

what are the comparable requirements for those under marshal kim jong-un ?

They are required to complete the 1.5 mile run in less time than it takes them to starve. In some ways, their standards are tougher than ours, because if they fail their test, they are not allowed to retake the test within 48 hours.

theJeff wrote:

I don't care if they are male or female, but at least give them the same soft time to hit.

"Why wasn't the alarm sounded?"

"Well, a woman was on lookout, and they don't have to be as fast as men."

"Oh sh!t, my bad. How insensitive of me."

"It's ok. You didn't know. Sorry about your ship."

That's equality for you.

Dumb Navy wrote:

That's ridiculous to make the very smart and intelligent people we want for the US Navy do stupid training that has nothing to do with sailing on a boat.

Just remember, as taxpayers we’ll be paying for servicemen’s health care. We may want to maintain some sort of minimum standard of health in order to contain costs.