Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
[quote]milermb wrote:
Look, this is clearly a great run and Ryun was certainly capable of sub 3:50 that day.
➡ he would have had to make up 1.75m per lap.
In modern times, apart from Bayi and Ryun, has anyone run a WR in the mile 1500 leading every step of the way?
➡Herb Elliot.
Walker, Coe, Ovett and the north Africans never did.
➡Walker, Coe, Ovett all have Olympic gold medals.
Cinder/dirt tracks were slower than synthetic ones - even the synthetic tracks of the 1960s. Anyone who has raced on both surfaces will testify to that!
➡exactly the reason Ryun ran slower on synthetic tracks than the freshly rolled ciders that's he set records on.
➡ Kip Keino is the real hero running 13:24 on rubbish dirt @ Western Springs.
➡we have little in the way of testing this their base hardness, they could have been very hard. Illegal by modern standards.
Exactly how slower they were is an unanswerable question because the quality of cinder tracks varied so much - even within an afternoon or evening of racing as Ryun remarks.
➡and after just being rolled for Ryun's record attempts.
For those two years, 1966 &'67, Ryun was as good as any middle distance runner there has been. He was never the same afterwards. Effects of illness suffered in 1968? Inevitable consequence of his training load? The reasons can be endlessly debated. Just enjoy watching the videos of him at his peak!
➡Jim Ryun got an advantage that Salazar (altitude tents, live high train low) and numerous others have only worked out in the last 10 or so years. The hypoxic advantage, in which you do speed work at altitude and then fly straight to sea level for a race. Ryun was obviously a high responder to this in 1966 & 1967. Walker and Coe never tried this at their peaks, Ovett did in once in 1976 after an injury but it was disastrously organized. Without the hypoxic stimulus he was barely a 3:53 man. If you can gain 2s from altitude training Coe would have run 3:45.33 & Walker 3:47 flat.
➡Ryun hides behind not being an altitude native for his loss in 1968. But Gammoudi, Doubell and Mike Ryan were at more of a disadvantage and out performed.